Homeowner Shoots Suspect in Home Invasion

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Sorry that your cousin went off the rails, but he broke into someone elses home and he was armed. What should Mr Clift have done instead exactly ? Allow himself, his wife and unborn child to have been robbed, beaten, raped and killed ? Your cousin put himself and his younger brother in peril through his own actions, so your family should count themselves fortunate that only he ended up dead.
 
Please direct your attention to Progunner's Rules for Life #78...

Hooray for Paul Thrift!! Give him a medal, I say. He and his wife should sue the thug's survivors for the mental anguish, pain and suffering they experienced during the attack.
well i hope this paul thrift guy is happy my cousin died. he had two little babys one thats not even 2 and one that is 5 i hope everyone is happy now that this crook is dead.
Hey Bub:
If your cousin has "two little babys" that he wants to be alive to take care of, why in hell's half acre is he out comitting a home invasion crime?????

What was Paul Thrift supposed to do - let the two of them in and let them brutalize him and his pregnant wife, just because they were your cousins???

If that's what you think, perhaps you can explain to us all how and why your family has "above the law" status that allows them to commit crimes at will, smash their way into people's homes, rob/rape/murder them (or whatever your two angel from Heaven cousins had in mind) and do so with impunity.

If it were you in Mr. Thrift's shoes, you would have done the same thing and it would have been someone else's cousins that you shot.

Your cousins got what they deserved, plain and simple. Too bad they both weren't killed. Two less scumbag thugs and the world is a better place, IMHO.
IMHO they were out to do more than just rob the people in the house. Power and phone cut; no way to call for help nor able to light an area. Truck by road; for silent approach to the house.
Long way to reach escape vehicle; no one to be left alive at scene.
Going to bedroom; at that time of night that is where the occupants should be and was.
Small flashlight; just enough light to find his way but not enough to light up a large area that is able to be seem under the door..
When the bedroom door opened the homeowner was ready and probably just shot at the center of the door, hitting the BG.
Good shoot.
I agree 100%.
Doing wrong can bring some other reward besides loot.
Yup...


Since the obvious must be stated for some, I will do so -

Progunner's Rules for Life #78: If you want to live, don't go around comitting home invasion crimes.:D :D :D

Any questions??
 
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My neighbor was in a similar incident. The wheelchair bound woman sat quietly in her chair as the perp broke through a window. Her 95 year old mother lay in a bed in the room. The perp cut the phone line before entering. She played 'asleep' while he climbed all the way through the window and prepared his garrote (sp?) for her mothers neck. She hit the light switch and told him to hold it right there. He stared at her, started at her, and she fired a shot that missed. She told me personally ( I interviewed her for a college speech on Gun control) that he let out a real demonic laugh and told her he was going to kill her. She shot him in the gut, perforating a kidney and the bladder. His two friends outside ran away and left him to die on her floor. He begged her to go get him some help. She picked up her phone, which did not work, then told him, "You can lay right there and die." Two hours later, her neighbor's kids were heading out to school and she yelled at them to call the law. The man was barely alive and was rushed to Northeast Georgia Medical Center. The news coverage was somewhat sympathetic to the perp. Sheriff Bob Vass gave the shooter his personal gun after the deputies had to take hers as evidence. It was ruled a good shoot, too. She would be dead today if she did not have that little snubbie. It is a shame that someone has to die, but the intruder paid a price he should have been willing to pay. I hope I never have to use force.
 
One article says the two had no prior arrest record (how would you know with a minor?).

The other says it has a mug shot of the older one from a previous arrest.

I bet that Richard had a history of crime, even if he only had a small (or no) record. Pretty hard to imagine starting out your criminal career doing an armed home invasion, cutting power, phones etc. Looks like he had a plan.

I wonder if there is some history/relationship between the players that is not being publicized?
 
COME ON EVERYONE................They were inside a property they did not own!

GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They deserve ALL that they got and NO arguments.

Confiscate EVERYTHING they own
Put them in jail
When they are let out - IF they deserve to be then give them $500 and tell them to make a new start with some professional help.

If they go back to crime then life on a chain gang. I bet you have lots of cleaning up jobs that need doiung in the States.

Cheers
Duncan
 
"doesn't mean that I am stupid"

The fact that you are defending how inocent they are makes you stupid.

The only crime here is that the home owner didn't double tap both of the POS's.

My house was robbed last Chrismas while I was in Iraq, they stole the money I had mailed home for my kids, I got home the day after for R&R.
If I would have been home the night before this story would have had my name on it with two dead bad guys.

I know they were armed because after the police left and I went through the house I found a .380 round in the bedroom.

What was there intent?

They stole $6,000.00 in cash and my cell phone.
If I would have been there It would have cost me about a "buck-fity" for the .45 ammo I would have given them.
 
i agree darkenedangel159

something doesn't seem right. there are no words to express the way i feel for your family even though i haven't been in the family long, in my heart i feel like something different happened maybe he knew them. why is it so hard for you people to believe that someone didn't cut there own phone line or throw something threw there own window. i think the homeowner was trying to cover up the fact that he murder a wonderful person. im just so sorry that his beautiful kids have to grow up without their father. even though i did'nt know him that well iv been crying and thinking about him everyday.evryone in this family that i have met has been wonderful and there for eachother like no other family, not even mine. i hope the truth comes out and i will pray for your other cousin.
 
i agree darkenedangel159

something doesn't seem right. there are no words to express the way i feel for your family even though i haven't been in the family long, in my heart i feel like something different happened maybe he knew them. why is it so hard for you people to believe that someone didn't cut there own phone line or throw something threw there own window. i think the homeowner was trying to cover up the fact that he murder a wonderful person. im just so sorry that his beautiful kids have to grow up without their father. even though i did'nt know him that well iv been crying and thinking about him everyday.evryone in this family that i have met has been wonderful and there for eachother like no other family, not even mine. i hope the truth comes out and i will pray for your other cousin.
 
they live under bridges

beerslurpy said:
Do you guys not know what a troll is?

...are encountered by the Three Billy Goats Gruff, and post stupid stuff on internet sites that if we just wait five seconds and think about, we won't even bother to respond to?

:D

Springmom
 
brittany19 said:
i think the homeowner was trying to cover up the fact that he murder a wonderful person.

Again, sorry for your loss, but why do you assume that the homeowner was any less wonderful than your cousin?
 
oh, heck, I'll rise to the bait

darkenedangel159 said:
Well first of all you people have no right to talk about my education level you guys dont know anything about me.So why are you judging me. For all you know i could be a 50 year old.Just because i was typing fast, and really didn't give a <darn> about grammer, doesn't mean that I am stupid. I bet i can point out many of your guy's errors. Im not saying that my cousin didnt break into that guys house. Im just saying that this story seems a little bit weird to me. What i meant was I know my cousin got trained in how to get into a house if he needed to. Whos to know how he had the flashlight, he could have moved it far away from his body, no one knows that. I know all the details cause i talked to the police, and i saw what he looked like ok. Oh and to the person that said that it wouldn't make a diffrence if it was your family, come to me when it happens and tell me if your thoughts have changed. Im just saying this was a little weird of a story. I dont know, How did paul thrift get to his gun as fast as he did in the pitch black? How did he position himself in the perfect spot.i heard the wife was upstairs screaming, why whould my cousin even go up there if he heard that? I dont think he would, he would probably run out the door, knowing my cousin I know for a fact he would run out the door.

Darkenedangel:

If in fact you are actually this criminal's cousin, then first of all, I am sorry for your family's loss. One of the tough things about having a family member that messes up is that the rest of society looks at the remainder of the family as if they too are guilty. They...you...are not, but the tough fact is, it taints your family name. That is hard.

I went back and re-read the original story. Your cousin had a flashlight, and the homeowner was waiting in the dark for him. The homeowner didn't "go hunting" for the intruders; he waited. Let me assure you; I haven't been trained by anybody but myself, but if I were waiting for an intruder to walk in my bedroom, he would be framed by the door and lit up by his own flashlight. He'd have had to have his eyes closed NOT TO HIT YOUR COUSIN. If he aimed for the flashlight, that's all he had to do. I'm sorry to be graphic, but there it is.

How did he get to his gun? I don't know, but I know how I would have: I would have rolled over and grabbed it off the nightstand. It sleeps two feet from my head, that's how. It is always loaded and at that range, even my snubbie would not miss a target so perfectly presented. Again, I'm sorry to be graphic, but you're talking as if there is something fishy about the shooting, and I'm here to tell you that if you need to shoot an intruder, the circumstances just about couldn't be better for the homeowner.

The homeowner did the right thing. I imagine that, as your cousin's children grow up and you help raise and protect them, that there may come a time that you realize that you would do exactly that to protect them. Mr. Thrift did what he had to do. You need to grieve and move on. :(

Now, one disclaimer: if you are writing this just to get a rise out of people, then shame on you and get a life. :scrutiny:

Springmom
 
silverbird said:
I will give you this though, it is weird that the police would have been there (in the boonies) quick enough to apprehend the 17yo before he made it back to the car....but bottom line is, your cousins weren't where they were supposed to be. They would have ended up the same way if it were my house.

Not really. I expect that the younger Mr. Munoz was a tad panicked and disoriented. Getting back 300 yards to that SUV would have been the longest 300 yards of his life. I'd think you'd be likely to wander a bit trying to regain your bearings after something like that.

It's been said but bears repeating: if you commit a home invasion, don't expect people to feel sorry for you when you get what you rightfully have coming.

Springmom
 
Forrest says: "Stupid is as stupid does..."

i agree darkenedangel159

something doesn't seem right. there are no words to express the way i feel for your family even though i haven't been in the family long, in my heart i feel like something different happened maybe he knew them. why is it so hard for you people to believe that someone didn't cut there own phone line or throw something threw there own window. i think the homeowner was trying to cover up the fact that he murder a wonderful person. im just so sorry that his beautiful kids have to grow up without their father. even though i did'nt know him that well iv been crying and thinking about him everyday.evryone in this family that i have met has been wonderful and there for eachother like no other family, not even mine. i hope the truth comes out and i will pray for your other cousin.
What a genius.:barf:
i think the homeowner was trying to cover up the fact that he murder a wonderful person.
If that's the case, then prove it. If he was such a wonderful person, why the hell was he comitting a home invasion FELONY CRIME???? Huh??? Newsflash: "Wonderful people" don't commit home invasion FELONY CRIMES.
As I said earlier -
What was Paul Thrift supposed to do - let the two of them in and let them brutalize him and his pregnant wife, just because they were your cousins???

If that's what you think, perhaps you can explain to us all how and why your family has "above the law" status that allows them to commit crimes at will, smash their way into people's homes, rob/rape/murder them (or whatever your two angel from Heaven cousins had in mind) and do so with impunity.
The only conclusion a rational, intelligent mind can come to about the situation in question is -
Since the obvious must be stated for some, I will do so -

Progunner's Rules for Life #78: If you want to live, don't go around comitting home invasion crimes.

Any questions??
By the way, best of luck to both you and darkenedangel with your grammar. You both can still get your GED and maybe even learn to read, write and understand proper English in the process.
 
oh and other thing

one night i was sitting in my house and i herd a lady sreaming. i looked out the window and i didn't see anything so i walk next door where the sreams were coming from , and there sat a lady and a man she was sreaming get me out of here hes trying to kill me she was badly beaten so i grabed her by the hand and took her into my house. she called 911 and said i got beat by my boyfriend and gave them her name ,and they said the former sheriffs daughter she said yes. they were here in know time. and said many people called in and if they knew it was her they would have been there sooner.i had police coming to my door thinking me for a week. im glad i was there to help her, but i seen first hand how different she got treated because of who her father was you really just had to be there to see i just hope that this is'nt the case that they are'nt trying to cover something up because then the family will never know the truth.
 
Dobson says Richard Munoz and his 17-year-old brother had cut the power and phone lines to the house.
A very good illustration of why you should keep your cell phone with you at all times.

BTW, my wife and I are presently guilty of leaving our cell phone in a different room to charge up, but I think I will find a spot in our bedroom to charge it up at night.
 
i can tell you this we are not the same person i just want you to look at this
in other way what if it comes back that we were right. that he did'nt go in there to kill or rob them.

and don't get me wrong if someone came into my house i would'nt just sit there waiting for him to kill me. im just saying i don't think that he could do anything like that.
 
Originally Posted by bastandard.com
....... Police reports indicate the younger Munoz told investigators, "Me and Richard were just riding around and Richard told me that he wanted to go break in somebody’s house."

.........

Richard Munoz was a 2000 graduate of Baker County High School and is married with children. He joined the Air Force and completed basic training in early 2003. According to authorities, Robert was currently living in Ohio where his mother and father moved after leaving Baker County and was visiting his brother during the holidays. The Munoz’s list a Taft Road address. Neither brother had prior police records.

Okay, Let me see if I can sort this out. Munoz was a 2000 graduate of this High School and ATTENDED Air Force basic training in 2003. This is now 2006.
2003 from 2006 is 3 years, so far is my math correct??? So that makes me wonder how this person was able to get out after/before 3 years of service when the standard contract is 6 years. Could be they found out that he was an "unsuitable" person and chucked his butt out, maybe.
Then he does something stupid/fatal and breaks into a guys house and gets a couple of well placed rounds in his noodle and is off to the pearly gates and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him ??? Do I have this right so far???
Hate to tell ya this Angel but after doing 6 years as an Air Force PJ ( that's Special Ops in case you didn't know) We were never taught how to break into a house, so your cousin was feeding you a LOOOOOONNNNG line of BS.
The punk got what any lowlife deserves when breaking into another man's castle.
 
im just saying i don't think that he could do anything like that.
Obviously, you were wrong about him...
The punk got what any lowlife deserves when breaking into another man's castle.
I'll go along with Cowboy Bob on that.

By the way Cowboy Bob, I am an Air Force veteran. The only way the thug in question would have gotten out of the Air Force - which offers only 4 and 6 year enlistment options - during a time of war is:

1.) Medical disability (physical or mental).
2.) Court martial resulting in either a "bad conduct," "dishonorable," or "under other than honorable conditions" discharge.

From what we know, I will say this is the most likely scenario.

Like all the other military branches, the Air Force does not let people out during time of war just because they discover that they do not enjoy military life.
 
from brittany19

what lead me to this site was trying to find out if anything else was said
about them and came across it
 
This whole paragraph is poorly written.


Richard Munoz was a 2000 graduate of Baker County High School and is married with children. He joined the Air Force and completed basic training in early 2003. According to authorities, Robert was currently living in Ohio where his mother and father moved after leaving Baker County and was visiting his brother during the holidays. The Munoz’s list a Taft Road address. Neither brother had prior police records.


It does not say Richard was not in the Air Force. Robert, the young one who was down visiting from Ohio. Although if he lived in that area it is about 40 miles from the closest base (NAS JAX). Nearest AFB looks like Moody. He could also be a Reservist.

All in all he got what he deserved. Too bad Mr. Thrift has to live with killing someone. Hopefully he can take solace in the fact that he not only saved his life, but his wife and unborn childs also.
 
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