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Homeowner uses Assault Rifle in shootout with 3 teen suspects who had a pistol killing them all

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  1. Aim1

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    According to the report the suspects who were 15, 16, and 16 years old fired a pistol at victims outside the home and the homeowner returned fire with a so-called assault rifle.

    This is why so-called assault rifles like AR15's are indispensable in situations like this where you have multiple suspects versus 1 victim.

    Also, the perpetrators were under 18 years old which means they weren't old enough to purchase a pistol so universal background checks, red flag laws, and whatever other new gun control laws of the month wouldn't have worked because they obviously obtained the gun illegally.

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    https://abcnews.go.com/US/homeowner-shoots-kills-masked-men-stand-ground-case/story?id=65641513
     
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  2. Rule3

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    Will have to wait for actual details to try and figure this one out.

    Outside the home?, racial identities?? It all could become convoluted like they usually do.
     
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    ""It was five shots, and then it sounded like a handgun. Then I heard somebody have an assault rifle. And it was a slew of shots that came out," neighbor Carlos Watson told the station."

    That's some pretty amazing "tactical" hearing there!
     
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    A typical pistol caliber handgun sounds very different than a rifle round. Someone rapid firing a rifle, even a less powerful rifle like a 5.56 would make a very diferent sound with every round cracking with a loud super sonic crack versus the pop of a pistol. It would not be too hard to tell a semi auto rifle is the likely report versus when the pistol was the report. This is especially true as you hear multiple rounds and get to hear it repeatedly enough to really be sure what each shot is sounding like.
    Someone with some firearm experience could tell the difference, though it is a stretch for them to know exactly what type of firearm was rapid firing.

    You could of course have some less common rounds like say a 460V or 454 casull sounding like a rifle, some odd pump action rifle, or a silenced shotgun sounding like a handgun, but it is probably a 9mm or other common handgun round and a semi auto 5.56 because that is the most common thing that matches the story.
     
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    withholding absolute judgement, but if the canvas is as colored, then my only response is "good."
     
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    I'll admit that I don't know all the details of this case. My first thoughts when I see these types of incidents is that it's a dope rip.
     
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    I really can't stand when the media puts up a "teen" or similar description looking for sympathy for the perpetrators. Sorry. You got a gun and are shooting at me or my family I'm not looking at age.
     
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    Masked, armed, and shooting at my family...DRT!
     
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    If we can get a source with decent details and less colorful description we can revisit this. Until then, we are done here.
     
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    Four in the morning, faces covered, AND they started shooting first.

    If these are the certain facts then it's about as open and shut as it comes.

    Getting oneself killed while carrying out an armed robbery is an occupational hazard.
     
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    It's just hard to imagine a family group hanging out in the front yard at 4am with the home owner carrying around an AR15. Something just doesn't add up.
     
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    "...prompting one of the residents, reportedly a male truck driver who owns a semi-automatic rifle and is protective of his mother, to return fire and shoot all three."

    Man could have been heading out to work for all we know. Mother and other person could have been seeing him off.

    It'll all come out in the wash.
     
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    I heard on local news there was going to be a candle light vigil.
    At least they are reporting it in my local news as a semi-auto and not the "evil" assault rifle
    Personally I don't think I am as well prepared as he was, shotguns inside by the doors maybe a 45 or 357 on my side while outside but ARs are in the TV cabinet drawer or the safes, not where I can grab one quick if someone started shooting at me. Maybe I should rethink my preparedness.
     
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    Thanks for reopening the thread. Bottom line if they didn't try robbing someone none of this would have happened. Maybe it's me but I'm reading a slant in the story for the suspects.
    One of the youths allegedly pulled out a gun and fired a few shots
    “It was five shots,
    and then, it sounded like a handgun. Then I heard somebody have an assault rifle. And it was a slew of shots that came out,” neighbor Carlos Watson said.
    What difference does the kind of gun either had? Perps tried an armed robbery with a firearm and fired shots. Victim returned fire in self defense.
     
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    Article is being intentionally divisive. "Possible Stand your ground" case? He was attacked at home, not at a gas station or anywhere else. Pretty cut and dry. And it would fall under Castle doctrine, not SYG.
     
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    That's the problem with just tossing one or two first news accounts out there. We never have all the relevant facts. We only have stories designed to appeal to morbid curiosity.
     
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    Sad, but the truth often is.

    Almost as sad as the headline, “kills 3 in possible stand your ground case”.

    Makes the think they would have rather had the headline “gun owner shot in back and killed, in their front yard.” Sad for the criminals. If it was in a blue State, “gun owning vigilante kills teens, despite having somewhere to run away to.”, would have been the headline.

    Then again, I have never been a “news” editor...or even understand what this means.

    I guess if I were a reporter, writer or editor, I would have sought out something that made sense.

    An objective person would surmise that an assault was being perpetrated, on owned property, by multiple perpetrators and an ”anti assault rifle” concluded the assault. How many news outlets would want to report that “news” these days?

    FWIW, if yours doesn’t you should change who you listen to.
     
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    When I worked for a crooked IT company at the Cleveland Clinic, I regularly got home after 03:00, after several hours of coerced unwaged overtime. I have ONLY ever worked the graveyard shift on my current job.

    Of course you overlook the possibilities that:
    1. They got the address wrong. Cops can go to the wrong house but armed robbers CAN'T?
    2. They mistook them for drug dealers.
    3. The victims had nice stuff and they wanted to rob them. Was the doctor in Connecticut a "drug dealer"?

    If you get to work banker's hours, good for you. Many of us don't have that luxury and we aren't drug dealers.
     
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    Historically, people went to bed when the light left, woke up in the middle of the night, poked around for a bit, and then went back to bed. In areas that are seriously economically depressed (ie the employment rate is extremely low), people do similar things. Took me a while to realize that people hanging out on their porch, apartment stoop, or near their trailer, was just a normal thing when I worked patrol.
     
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  21. Browning

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    Homeowners son likely had the AR just inside the residence or in a vehicle close at hand.

    Or close at hand inside the home which is where he was when he saw family members (possibly the mother, which is why the fact that he was protective of her was in the article to begin with) being confronted outside and grabbed it and took measures to stop their victimization.

    Won’t know until the investigation concludes.
     
  22. luzyfuerza

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    It is tragic that this homeowner took the lives of three very young men. While his actions appear to be in self-defense and therefore legally justified, that does not eliminate the nightmares, self-examination and self-recrimination, sleepless nights, social withdrawal, and loss of standing in his community that often follows a self defense shooting.

    See:

    https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/pr...ological-aftermath-of-a-self-defense-shooting

    No matter what the cops and DA might determine, he will have to deal with this.

    That being said, I'm sure he'd rather deal with these consequences than having to bury his mother or making her bury him.
     
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    If they'd murdered him and his family, I HIGHLY doubt that they'd have missed a second's sleep over it.

    Nobody should feel "remorse" for not allowing himself (nevermind his family) to be slaughtered.
     
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    No matter what facts gradually emerge,the three attackers were all.....

    ……. "turning their lives around".

    We will hear this about one of those boys. And they just "fell in" with the wrong crowd who gave them the guns.
    Luckily for the homeowner-victim, he was not an off-duty police officer.
     
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    I found these two videos



     
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