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Hornady Critical Defense Ammuntion

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by renegade1alpha, Oct 19, 2009.

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  1. renegade1alpha

    renegade1alpha Member

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    I would like to share an experience with everyone that I recently had with Hornady's new Critical Defense ammunition. I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same problem.

    I recently had to qualify with my duty weapon and off duty weapon for my department and thought it would be a good chance to see how the new ammo shot through my off duty weapon (Kahr CW9). The first round went off great and the recoil was just what I expected and the bullet went right where I was aiming. When I pulled the trigger a second time all I got was a click from the firing pin striking the primer. I ejected that round, chambered another and squeezed the trigger...click. Nothing. Again I ejected that round, chambered another and squeezed the trigger... BANG! Just what I was wanting. On trigger squeeze #4 I got another bang, but #5 and #6 all I got was the click of the firing pin striking the primer.

    I picked up the rounds that I had ejected and looked at the primers. All the rounds had nice dents on the primers. I put them back in the magazine and on the second strikes three of the four rounds fired.

    Thinking that something might even be wrong with my off duty gun, I loaded some more rounds into my duty weapon (Glock 17) and attempted to fire. Of the ten rounds I loaded in my Glock magazine only eight of them fired. Two of them had nice dents on the primers but didnt go bang until I put them back in the magazine and attempted to fire them again. This time they fired.

    The scariest part about this whole situation is that I had been carrying these rounds in my off duty gun before testing them. (I know, stupid on my part)

    I have since contacted Hornady and told them of the problem and I have yet to hear back from them. That was over 3 weeks ago. I plan on calling them and personally speaking with a representative. I have used Hornady ammo in the past without any problems which is why I never saw need to test fire any of the rounds before carrying them. I have since switched to Buffalo Bore 124 grain +P hollow points (using Hornady XTP bullets) and have not had a problem.
     
  2. frisbee2421

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    switch to speer gold dot. they have been 100% for me in all different calibers. good luck with the phone call.
     
  3. renegade1alpha

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    Speer Gold Dots have always worked for me too and is our current duty ammo. But I had read all the hype on the CD ammo that I thought I would use it. Not anymore!
     
  4. Just One Shot

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    Please, keep us updated as there are many people who are carrying the CD in their CCW.
     
  5. hardluk1

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    I have run 200 rounds of 9mm 115gr CD ammo through my pf-9 with no problems. Another 100 rounds in my charter arms ultra lite 38 and no problems. Have had problems with speer ammo in my witness with lite strikes. Check them fireing pins for debris.
     
  6. nathan

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    WWB HP s are much better at a lower pricetag..
     
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    Do these loads, mainly the 38+p, perform well in a standard 4" barreled revolver? Are these a good option for someone who cannot carry standard JHPs?
     
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    CD's are standard pressure loads ,made to work that way out of short barrels.
     
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    That's kinda what i was thinking....even the Winchester Ranger JHP's or the "peoples favorite" favorite Speer Gold Dots. Hornday Critical Expense - for the price you pay, it does NOT want to be malfunctioning as the OP says.
     
  10. SheepNutz

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    I've seen other threads where people have been having this same problem. A box of Critical Defense is the only JHP ammo I have right now, and I'll be replacing it with Gold Dots soon (as soon as I can find some 9mm 124+p). I did test 7 of the rounds in the box, and they all fired, but it's stories like this that make me not trust the other 18 rounds.
     
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    WOW! thankyou sir for this post. I have Winchester SXT's and Pow'r ball for my 9mm handguns right now. I was thinking of getting the critical defense ammo as well, but not now! :eek:

    BG "GIMME ALL YOUR MONEY OR I"LL BLOW YOUR EFFING HEAD OFF!!!"

    Me......*click*

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    No problems so far and I don't expect any.
     
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    I've been using CD in my carry pistols, 9mm and 38sp. Haven't had any failure to fires, after about four boxes shot, each.
    However, hearing more stories like this has got me thinking about Gold Dots.
     
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    "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for anyone drops to zero"
     
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    :uhoh: Eeek. I just bought a box of this stuff this past weekend ... :(
     
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    It's always possible to have a production problem, which is why ammunition manufacturers mark lot numbers on packaging, to facilitate recalls and tracing.

    It's also issues like this which is behind a firearm trainer's recommendation about running 200 rounds trouble-free thru a firearm before depending on it for a serious application. It's not just a test of the firearm. To receive maximum benefit from the test you should start with a single production lot purchase of sufficient quantity for both your test and "production" usage. It's also a good idea to inspect the cartridges too, no manufacturing is perfect. Common defects are primer seating and projectile seating issues, which are possible to detect with visual inspection. A cartridge headspace gage is the most stringent dimension test, the gages are less then $30 for a specific cartridge type. Reloaders also use such gages, for instance, for their match or hunting ammunition.
     
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    I just got off the phone with Hornady and spoke with a technician. Apparently they had not received my e-mail or had not gotten to it yet. He asked if I had the rounds that I had fired, and unfortunately I didn't. I also didn't save the box to give him a lot number. After talking with him he and I both agreed that I must have gotten a bad batch. He did apologize and said that if I had anymore problems with Hornady ammo to save the box and any ammunition and send it back to them for a full replacement. They were very apologetic and very helpful. I would suggest if you have any Hornady CD ammo to try a box or a least a few rounds before you carry it. Of course I do that with any ammo I buy for self defense, I just didnt do it with that particular brand. I'm sure the rest of the Hornady ammo is good and I may buy some more CD when it comes time to rotate the current stuff I have.
     
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    I have the CD and out of the 10 rounds I shot, I had a 100% success rate. Keeping the box is important for a few reasons. The only FTFs I've had were with my reloads. And from my history with Glocks, I could run other folk's misfires through my 23, and I'd get bang everytime.

    the extractor and firing pin may need to be checked by a pro gunsmith. Matter of fact, if you set up a shooting appt, the smith may give you some pointers.
     
  19. renegade1alpha

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    Nothing wrong with my firing pin or extractor. No build up or anything obstructing my firing pin. I keep all of my guns meticulously clean and in good working order. I guess being a former Marine I can't help but do that.

    I've also owned two Glocks and currently carry a Glock for duty weapon and in my experience if my Glocks wont fire it, its not the gun. I have fired thousands of rounds through Glocks and NEVER had a misfire or any other problems. Glocks in my experience have been 100% reliable.

    Not the guns, it was the ammo. Im sure of it.
     
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    One more reason to load your own carry ammo..liability schmiability.. I don't live in in a Communist state though either.

    As a side note, I have a box of Hornady's CD that I guess I'll be using to defend myself against raging canned goods; after reading this, they aren't going anywhere with me but to the range...on a one way ticket.
     
  21. IdahoLT1

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    Goddamn it. "OMG!!! Everyone quick, panic and sell all your Hornady ammunition because IT WILL fail on you!!!" I hate reactions like this.


    Hornady makes some of the better ammunition around. I wouldnt be so quick to switch to another manufacturer, swear Hornady off and spread rumors/internet tales. These things happen, irregardless of what company makes it. The Beretta M9 averaged 20,500 rounds to every misfire during a recent govt. test. 1 misfire every 20,500 rounds is a good average. But what happens when 1 person happens to be the unlucky one and that 1 in 20500 misfire occurs during a critical event? Does everyone swear Beretta off because of this one problem? No.

    This is the first problem ive ever heard of Hornady CD. The best thing to do, like other mentioned, is to test your carry gun with the ammo you want to carry in it. And it shouldnt stop there. Have a friend or yourself load dummy rounds, spent cases and live ammo at random in the mags. Switch mags around so you cant predict what will happen and run some FTF/FTE drills. No ammunition is going to be 100% reliable. Its best to train for a situation when your gun doesnt function properly than to buy a box of ammo and hope its reliable because some guy 2000 miles away said it was over the internet.
     
  22. Mags

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    Don't really see that anywhere in this thread save for your posts.
     
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    The thing that makes me roll my eyes at CD ammo is the marketing in general. They sell it as ammo that is guaranteed to expand and not to clog with cloth. As far as I can tell, the only ones who say that this is a widespread problem in the first place is......Hornady. I don't believe that they are any more or less likely to expand than any other premium JHP. That combined with this problem (this isn't the only time or place I've heard of this) makes the decision. I KNOW my HSTs work.
     
  24. IdahoLT1

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    I was over sensationalizing some of the posters reactions, numbers 11, 13 and 15.

    What happened with Glock, i can see happening here. Glocks had a few guns that KB'd, which, for a while, basically turned into "all Glocks will KB". People spread the stories around the internet like wildfire. One KB incident turned into it happening 15 times.

    I can totally see someone in the future, asking about Hornady CD ammo on this site, followed by someone re-telling the story with their twists. What happened to the OP will turn into, "a buddy of mine/i was right there and watched it" and the story will have tweaks like it being 100 rounds failed to fire, instead of a dozen or so.

    It happens all the time on the internet. Why do you think so many people believe the 10mm is as powerful as the .41 mag, even though it isnt true? Because people said it was and their comparison were skewed(i.e. comparing max loaded 10mm to commercial medium loaded .41mag).
     
  25. Tommygunn

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    :scrutiny: As #15 ... let me just state that I was not being serious.

    Even Rolls Royce makes a bad car every once in awhile.
    I am in fact quite aware of Hornady's reputation -- that's why I bought the ammo I did in the first place.
    No one here knows exactly what happened with the OP's gun/ammo.
    :eek: It isn't?????? :p:D;)
     
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