Hornady Critical Defense.....

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Yea I bought a bunch of it in 9mm. The recoil is a tad harsher than dry fire. Personally they dont expand enough for me. I am saving the rest for the day my wife decised to learn to shoot. I dont want to scare her off or anything.

check this out... http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/9mm/gel9.htm this was thru two layers of denim. Look at the expansion or lack of. It is rounds like this that give the 9 a bad rap..
 
bradfromearth,

Do you by any chance have similar test/expansion data on the regular Hornady JHP/XTP?
 
donato:

I raise my doubts to encourage others to investigate for themselves. My doubts are not unfounded or uninformed.
 
BTW, just picked this up on another forum. The November issue of Combat Hanguns supposedly has a review of the Hornady CD ammo. "They" say it got good reviews based on some outside testing. May be worth a look - I haven't seen it yet.
 
The reason I phrased it the way I did was because if I had said; "Your post doesn't make any sense", it would have sounded like I was blowing it off because of bad spelling. I understood the spelling just fine. I wanted to make sure he understood it WASN'T his spelling I was criticizing, it was his logic. that's why I said; "Besides the spelling".
 
Personal preferences - - -

It happens I prefer mustard over mayonnaise on my hamburgers. I'll listen politely while you tell me why you feel mayo is better, but I won't argue that you're WRONG in your preference. And, the two of us, being as pursuasive as possible, are unlikely to convince a long-time ketchup lover that he's in error. Also -- hard as it is to accept, some people don't care much for hamburgers at all.

Wouldn't it be silly for several adults to get 'way off into snide remarks and personal attacks about one anothers' favored luncheon sandwiches?

An exchange of ideas is fine. Submit information for consideration. Be courteous to the other participants in the discussion. But please, don't feel personally diminished if YOUR priceless opinion is not accepted as the final word as to Ford versus Chevrolet, Glock vs. Colt, or Remington over Speer.

Isn't it nice that that we HAVE a range of choices in motor vehicles, firearms, and ammunition types? The more squabbling we do amongst ourselves, the easier it can be for others to find an excuse to restrict our selections. Please remember, we're all in this together.

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While I don't question the utility of hollow points in 9mm or .40 or other higher velocity pistol cartridges, I don't believe a .45acp from a 3&1/2 inch barrel is going to have enough velocity expand any hollow point on the market. Hard ball feeds more reliably than hollow point in the compact 1911s and is my choice.
 
dbr I like a barnes X for hunting and have used them in rifles and pistol over the years. Just at this point ,with bullets not working the way designed once in a while after going thrrough clothing and the problem of some feed issues with some pistols I just picked a round that after 200 down range seems to feed well for me and others and to this point no bad habits and expand's very well at low velocities. Like i have said if you like something else ,use it. Thats why we have so many choices now for guns and ammo. Pick one and enjoy. Oh darn sure less costly ,18.00 a box.
 
hardluk, do you have any hard information that shows either how often other hollowpoints don't expand because they are clogged with cloth, or that CD ammo is going to be any better or worse? I just think it's a solution to a problem that it so rare it's not worth worrying about.

The only time I have EVER heard of it happenoing is......in ads for Hornady CD ammo.
 
Irsh Maybe you should explan HP's to the other guy as i have used them for decades hunting and always try to recover my bullets to see what works and what doesn't. After see'n how many bullets designs don't always work as planed as of now i will use the CD ammo. This tread was about the Hornady CD ammo and if it was a good ammo and they don't load big bores so it's not about a 45 or 40 in this tread . 40 years of hunting and bullet recovery tells me about HP's. Again for you to shoot what you want. This is about hornady CD. For hunting with a handgun I like barnes X for deer and hardcast for hogs. Now explane those.
 
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mijdeckard I will admit i am a computer dummy so I do it like always, just set here and roll threw page after page till i find what i am look'n for. So in that regard No, I would just have to start again with" hornady 9mm CD test". I probably hit 5 or 6 sites on the CD ammo testing might take me some time to find it too. Oh, i know my spell'n sucks, but don't care that much to go over it and if a have a spell checker don't know how it works. Some times it's better than others. Oh well If i find some again i will let you know.
 
I read that article in American Rifleman this ammunition looked pretty interesting to me. Seemed like a good idea.
mljdeckard-It happened not too far from here last year. There was a home invasion. The home owner shot 7 times-only 2 bullets penetrated the rest got caught up in the heavy clothing. The 2 that did the job one was a neck shot the other a head shot. The other criminal decided it was a good time to leave. Turns out the homeowner had professional training & was a regular IDPA competitor.
The gun used was a Glock chambered in .45 gap I don't remember the model number right now. I don't have a link but I can dig up a thread on a local forum about it if you like. I might be wrong but believe the ammunition used was a 200 grain jhp
 
Here is a link if you are interested www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=260407hlit=burglary I remembered some of the facts a little wrong but the point remains pretty much the same.
Wanted to add posting this is pretty dense of me because this story would actually indicate that the Winchester ammo that was also featured might be a better choice (better penetrarion). Sometimes I just don't think.
 
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My very limited experience with Critical Defense ammo has been with their 380 round out of my Kel-Tec P3AT. Cycles perfectly, is accurate, and expands uniformly.

I'm pleased enough to carry it.
 
Hornady Critical Defense they almost always expand due to that plastic tip thats inside of the JHP i have 124 Gr CQ but mine dont have the plastic tip i was looking for those critical defense but all they had was the 115gr .

i would only buy 124 gr or 147 gr they give you more barrier penetration if someone styarts shooting at you and takes cover its important to have a bullet that can penetrate barriers to stop a threat .

115 gr is good if its at least 1200 FPS or higher from the muzzle less then that it wont effectively punch thru barriers and still carry enough energy to stop the threat.

i have 1 magazine loaded with 115gr Speer GDHP for speed and barrier penetration., and 1 loaded with the 147 gr GDHP thats in my 9mm now. i have a box of 20 bullets of the hornady 124 gr CQ i am saving that for my Ruger SR9 when i pick it up thursday.
 
Isn't it nice that that we HAVE a range of choices in motor vehicles, firearms, and ammunition types? The more squabbling we do amongst ourselves, the easier it can be for others to find an excuse to restrict our selections. Please remember, we're all in this together.
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Amen! I think it's important that we remind ourselves on occasion just how good we have it in this great country of ours (no, it ain't perfect and never will be) and that we acknowledge the importance of unity when it comes to fighting off those who are hell-bent on compromising our God-given liberties.

Eternal Vigilance!
 
While I don't question the utility of hollow points in 9mm or .40 or other higher velocity pistol cartridges, I don't believe a .45acp from a 3&1/2 inch barrel is going to have enough velocity expand any hollow point on the market. Hard ball feeds more reliably than hollow point in the compact 1911s and is my choice.
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Well said. My sentiments exactly.
 
Depending on situations, I might be carrying a Glock G19 with 147 gr Gold Dots or a G21 with 230 gr Gold Dots. Other manufacturers make good controlled expansion bullets too, Remington Golden Saber being another. I'm not shooting heavy for caliber bullets to defeat windshields and cover; I shoot heavy bullets to defeat arms and other stuff that might prevent a bullet from penetrating. The idea is to stop the fight and the only reliable way to do that is to penetrate and disrupt vital organs.

All things being equal I'd rather be shooting a .308 Win bolt gun. But for CCW that's a tad inconvenient ;) These days where I'm allowed to carry it's the G19.
 
I base ammo selection on which shoots most accurately in that particular gun. Gold Dots in Glocks, just about any 147 gr in S&Ws, Berettas and Taurus, etc in 9mm. I don't think all the premium ammo out there gives you much if any edge.
 
Over on the Handgun forum on AR15.com, someone has posted about a failure to fire issue on a couple of rounds of 9mm Critical Defense. There was another post from someone who had had the same problem and spoke to Hornady about it. Apparently, Hornady changed from a nickel colored primer to a brass colored primer to address a no-fire issue. However, the CD that the OP had the problem with had the brass primer.

Now I do not normally spread rumors and innuendos, but since the Critical Defense seems to be gaining popularity, I'd like to hear if anyone here has had any failures to fire using these rounds. I just picked up a bunch of it for my PT-709, and now I plan to put a bunch of it through the gun to see if I've got any problems.
 
I haven't shot as much of it as I should, I've had no problems with it in 9mm 380 or 38 special.
 
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