Hornady LnL AP case feeder - cases tipping

[orthodoxy001]

The usual problem causing tipping is the retainer spring being in the way. Pawl adjustment only affects getting the shellplate properly aligned and has nothing to do with tipping. The cam wire also has nothing to do with tipping; it just affects a) is the case fully inserted in the shellplate and b) is it getting to the shellplate too early.

So it's your retaining spring. Someone up here received an updated shellplate from hornady that was more effective at getting the retaining spring out of the way, problem solved. Next time you call hornady, ask about this.

Alternate issues can be a dirty feed path causing drag on the shell base, but in your pics everything is clean. Or, if you operate the press abruptly, the shell can skitter and tip. Or, if the rims are dinged-up then they won't want to go in and may tip (every press will falter with banged-up brass).

 

[Samgotit]

I ran several test without my spring installed; I still got the tipping.

I've also tried two different shell plates in 9mm. No dice.

 

[Mikesyg772]

I converted my LNL to ezject & had the same problem with 9mm shells, I polished all of the ports o0n the shell plate & no longer have the tilting problem. hope this helps

 

[Depdog]

I am having the same problem with the .223 I am also going to load 380ACP and since they use the same shellplate I tried some of those cases. They do the same exact thing. If I take the case retention spring out I can get them to feed pretty reliably. If I leave the spring on it gives me greif unless I put my finger on top of the case and apply a little downward pressure. Looking at the brass while I am doing this as it crosses where the spring is supposed to be down to let the brass enter it deff hits the spring and rides up in the air. I have 2 LNL AP's and it does this on both. When I use the 40 or 45 shellplates I do not have this problem and the spring is also pushed down lower into the groove which allows the brass to pass over it without hinderance.

I have called into Hornady about this and they are sending me a new shellplate, UGHH it's on backorder though and he has no time estimate as to when it will be in.

Anyone else found anything different.

Glenn

 

[Walkalong]

PM sent.

 

[Depdog]

After numerous attempts and all kinds of adjusting of the pawls and the cam wire. I finally watched and re-confirmed that the brass was indeed hitting the spring and that was the cause of the tipping. Took the 16 shell plate and on the 45 angle of the lip that pushes down the spring I added some JB Weld to make the lip larger (like the one on the 45 shell plate) let it dry and made sure it would not interfear with anything else. Worked like a champ and it will now feed and load .223 and 380 ACP with hardly a burp (still have the occasional case with will not feed, but when I inspect them they ususally have some type of damage to the rim).

I have called Hornday and explained everything I did and why the stock plate would not work. They have new 16 and 8 plates on the way to me. I have seen pics of other number 8 plates that had a large lip like my 45 one, the guy and Hornady could not explain why. So in short, if your cases are tipping due to the spring not being down in the groove low enough for the brass not to hit it, then this would fix your problem. I tried it with super glue first and it worked, but the glue chipped off very easily. I sanded the lip and used JB weld this time and it seems to be holding much better.

Will try to post some pics of what I did.

Glenn

 

[Wilburt]

I'll interested in those pic's.

 

[Depdog]

I will try and get them edited and poster tonight.

Glenn

 

[Jim_M]

Is this the same issue? The video shows the famous tipping brass problem. Head scratcher for me thats for sure. Watch the last one closely were I'm cyclying the handle SLOW. It looks like the brass comes in contact with the edge of the shell holder and begins to tip it.






Jim

 

[wild willy]

I like to see pictures of the #8 plate I'am having some problems with mine just like to see if a new plate is any differant

 

[Depdog]

From you video, it looks as if the case is being pushed in way to early and is making contact with the shellplate edge. Looking at your cam wire there are a lot of threads showing so the timing is probably off.

Trying to upload my pics now.

Glenn

 

[Walkalong]

So, is that holding the spring down better?

 

[Depdog]

Yes, works like a champ. I will take a pic of my 45 shellplate and you can see the size of the lip compared to the 16 and the number 8 ones.

Should have a new 16 and 8 by the end of the week.

Glenn

 

[Walkalong]

My #8 has more lip there. It was modified by Hornady for the EZ-Ject.

 

[Depdog]

My 9mm shellplate is actaully a little thinner than the 223 one shown. Yours is HUGE compared to both my 223 and 9mm one. There is no reason for that lip to have shrunk except that the machineing process is messed up. The only thing that should change is the slot where the brass is held.

Glenn

 

[Walkalong]

Here is my #45 Shell Plate. I had to get it when I upgraded to the EZ-Ject because my #1 would not work on it for .45 ACP. It is one of my most nicely machined shell plates. I have a dozen or so. They are obviously made in different places. Subbed out I guess.

The EZ-Ject "slot" is much smoother in plates that were made for the EZ-Ject, vs modded plates, since it was cut before whatever hardening they do to the plate vs after wards to mod it for the EZ-Ject.

 

[Walkalong]

Here is my #16 .223/.380 shell plate. Also modded by Hornady to the EZ-Ject.

 

[Depdog]

Your number 16 still has a very large lip. Look at yours compared to mine. Does yours work without tipping?

Glenn

 

[Walkalong]

I don't use a case feeder, so I don't know. I actually cut off the "arm" that the case feeder attaches to, that's how sure I will not get one. My spring does stay below flush in the channel though. I knocked the edge off the 90 degree tops of the channel ever so slightly and polished them to make sure the cases don't catch as I slide them in.

Pic Link

 

[Walkalong]

Channel before I modded the sub plate and polished

Channel after I modding the sub plate and polished

 

[Depdog]

Thats right, I should have remembered. I have read your posts on that.

Glenn

 

[David Wile]

Hey Walk,

I know you're from Alabama, but that just proves that even someone from Alabama can't be all bad. Anyone who cuts their case feeder thing off is my kind of guy. I never upgraded to that new sub plate thing, so I never had to cut anything off mine. In any case, you couldn't give me a case feeder for my machine. I like feeding my cases by hand, and I can't stand the noise and even the ugly way they look. Then again, I'm just an old fool dog that does not do well with the new tricks thing.

Anyway, I was looking at your Pic Link

(http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=109931&d=1259453064)

in Post 69, and it is obvious your sub plate is a lot different than my original one. Would you tell me what the silver colored flat piece is that sticks out from the right side of the sub plate is? I am guessing it has something to do with the new ejector system, but I cannot figure it out. I see nothing that looks like it will eject a case, but then I have never seen the new eject system in use.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

 

[Jim_M]

From you video, it looks as if the case is being pushed in way to early and is making contact with the shellplate edge. Looking at your cam wire there are a lot of threads showing so the timing is probably off.

Trying to upload my pics now.

Glenn

Depdog, I think your right. The shell plate can't timed better as far as I can tell. I loosened the top nut on the cam wire ~1/2 a turn and saw an immediate improvement. We'll see if it holds. Thanks!

Jim

 

[Walkalong]

Would you tell me what the silver colored flat piece is that sticks out from the right side of the sub plate is? I am guessing it has something to do with the new ejector system, but I cannot figure it out

I added that to operate my home made powder linkage for my Redding 10X measure.

A tiny little angled stationary "knob" (about halfway mark along the channel the spring rides in) on the subplate rides up in the "cutout" on the EZ-Ject shell plates. It just pushes the brass out of the plate as it rotate to station 5. It works great, and there is no wire to deal with when changing paltes.

 

[Depdog]

Just to add to my confirmations on the shellplate. I got the new one from Hornady on Wednesday. The lip on the bottom is larger and more square. Worked like a champ because it keeps the spring down fully and lets the brass slide across without tipping.

Glenn