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Hospitals and guns

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by .cheese., Apr 1, 2007.

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  1. .cheese.

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    As I was in the hospital this last week and weekend (nothing to worry about, just pacreatitis), once a day I'd ask the nurses to heplock my IV so I could walk around a little bit, I noticed during my daily walks around the hospital and outside that the hospital was separated into two sections. The first was the main hospital, where I was. The second was a separate building, which was at one point connected to the main building via a bridge on the 3rd floor. It was the psychiatric ward (for I assume the mentally ill).

    The entrance to the psychiatric building had heavy security at the entrance and at the door to the 3rd floor bridge. Everything from bag scanners, cameras, guards, metal detectors, etc. There was a sign on the entrance to the building that said, "NO FIREARMS/WEAPONS ALLOWED"

    What I found interesting is that I walked around the rest of the main hospital and not a single door had that sign.

    I thought you can't carry into any hospital because the ER might have psychiatric patients? Did this hospital enable carrying by keeping all psychiatric patients in a separate building?

    Or did they just feel it more important to emphasize the weapon rule at that building, despite it applying everywhere on the premises?
     
  2. Valkman

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    That doesn't apply here in NV (that I know of), but anywhere that has metal detectors at each entrance is off limits. Also, "No Guns" signs mean nothing here as 30.06 signage is the only legal way to ban guns using signs.
     
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    My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that weapons are only really banned in the psych section. I believe that if the hospital does not have a psych ward or is seperated from the ward as it seems yours is that they don't have to ban weapons in the actual hospital portion.
     
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    Like laws gun related, it's different in every state.
     
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    I have never heard of a hospital that did not have a written policy forbidding possession of firearms on the premises by anyone except LEO or uniformed security. Most do not actually post NO FIREARMS on the entrances but the policy is in place. However as in many states that policy is not a law. They can prevent employees from carrying via the threat of termination but the
    populace in general would only be asked to leave if discovered. This is almost always a policy that is instituted to satisfy
    liability concerns for the hospital. The theory being if they say no guns allowed and someone violates that rule it is harder
    to hold them liable for injury to someone.

    I would suspect that the lockdown ward has a specific policy prohibiting weapons by anyone including LEO. Just as in many jail wards and prisons weapons are limited to specific areas and barred from other areas even for sworn personel. They may feel that since unstable patients are allowed to roam about inside the secure area anyone entering while carrying could potentially be disarmed by an patient with all the problems that creates.
    The solution is simply to prevent any guns in the restricted area with no exceptions. In many lockdown wards you have to go through a metal detector to enter to prevent people from smuggling items in.
     
  6. bpsig

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    The local er/ hospital in my area expressly forbids weapons want's police to leave all guns at home. But on another hand an incident where a dui under arrest dropped her gun on xray table pd said give it back to her after you unload it.
    Even security must be unarmed no mace/cuffs etc tell od's and psych patients in halls wandering around to stay in room do nothing AAH liberals :cuss:
     
  7. Geronimo45

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    "Also, "No Guns" signs mean nothing here as 30.06 signage is the only legal way to ban guns using signs."
    In Nevada? 30.06 is Texas.
     
  8. DDrake

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    I use to vulonteer at a local hospital, and every month they would make print-outs of the new... up-to-date procedures. Usually minor things, like placing a symbol on doors where a mother's baby didn't survive for whatever reason... so volunteers didn't go in the room asking where is the cute baby.

    Anyway, one of these handouts said if we see someone with a gun who looks suspicious and up to no good, to call security. It didn't say report people with guns, no matter what.


    Also, the hospital had a psy-floor, and on that door it had about a million warnings. It said no firearms, but also included things like pens.

    The ER door had nothing on it but "No Unauthorized Persons" ..... so who knows.
     
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    I worked part time hospital security for several years in North St Louis County. It was our hospital policy that no fire arms were allowed except on duty LE and us.

    The psych unit had the only posting but it really was more to remind LE that were bringing non voluntary patients to lock their guns up outside of the ward in the pistol lockers .
     
  10. .cheese.

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    pistol lockers?

    So does that mean that next time I go to the hospital. I could go to the psych unit, lock my gun up, and then go into the regular building to get admitted for whatever I'm sick with, or even just to have tests?
     
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    I would not advise you to go near the psych unit with a gun.
     
  12. XavierBreath

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    thexrayboy got it right.

    I did hear of an incident concerning a pistol on a MRI room. It was a ND. I want to say it was in Texas in the past year. We got a flyer about it. Anyone else hear about that?

    Here is a report on another one.
    Then there was this:
    Crazy stuff.
     
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    "Crazy stuff."
    Moral of the story: If you carry a gun into an MRI, carry a Glock 7. :evil:
     
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    I saw that article about the ND of an officers gun in an MR suite. By all accounts the officer entered the exam room prior to being told it was safe by the tech. The result no injuries and essentially no damage, could have been worse. The field of a high strength MR magnet is no joke. It can pull a hammer and accelerate it to a speed fast enough to go through quarter inch plywood held in front of the bore.
     
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    Florida law prohibits carrying a firearm in a hospital. I also think this includes the parking lot.
     
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    Nope. Florida does not prohibit carrying in a hospital.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC06.HTM&Title=->2003->Ch0790->Section%2006#0790.06
     
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    Having worked in a psych ward I would strongly suspect that the above is correct.

    We were told if LEO came in with firearm to ask them to leave immedialty and come back without the firearm. Never occurred so do not ask how well it would work.

    Side note, while I was working a patient up for a psych admit when I was working in the ER was the first time a patient ever whipped out a gun on me :eek: Gave it up when she was asked to, no problem. Most recent pt who whipped out a gun on me was a 74 year old female :what: I've never had a problem with a pt with a gun. Leave it in the holster if they have one and cover it with a towell where both the pt and I can see it. No problem.

    NukemJim
     
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    RE: FLORIDA hospital carry
    IANAL
    but he is http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/faq008.shtml

     
  19. .cheese.

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    that's pretty much what I remembered.

    I also remember that the problem arises that many/all ER's have the potential to be treating mentally ill patients, so it's been said that it could apply to any hospital. However, I found the separation of the two buildings interesting and wondered how it would effect things.

    btw - I am in Florida.
     
  20. PPGMD

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    Markk,

    Sounds exactly like the Post Office carry, it's illegal to unlawfully carry a firearm into a Post Office, but a person that has a CHL is allowed to carry it unless state law specifically prohibits it, since it's perfectly lawful to have a CCW on you.
     
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    No weapons huh...

    Guess they do surgery with a dull spoon or a tongue depressor... no blades, 'cause those are "weapons"...
     
  22. .cheese.

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    PPGMD - as far as I know, a post office is considered a federal building and is NOT ok to carry CHL or not.
     
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    Not under Florida law.

    The Federal law
    Subsection A prohibits the carry, but under Subsection D there is a exception under number 3 that says "or lawful purposes" concealed carry is considered a lawful purpose if you have a CHL.
     
  24. .cheese.

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    I'll have to check, but I think I remember seeing in the local post office a sign that says "No firearms" and then has the listing of a statute.

    If somebody in Florida happens to be in a post office before I am, take note and see if that sign has a statute listed or not. Could be my imagination.
     
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    Are correct.

    Now where I used to work not many of the Security were armed, just the nature of this hospitals "attitude" in regard to firearms and other things.

    Armed Security was stepped up with some "incidents" where I worked.
    I had , along with other OR folks and those in ER had begged and pleaded.
    We did get armed security in the ED and OR, and these were often times not in uniform, instead in surgical scrubs.

    It may surprise some, just how many "weapons" exist in a OR/ ED/ other areas of a hospital.
    Many of us "trained" to "run what you brung". Use what is there...

    Other hospitals in town, one especially , has really great Security, and strives to improve on what they have. I mean they really stay on the ball.

    Uniformed, ladies and gents, off duty police and plain-clothes. The may be wearing Surgical Scrubs, Rad-Tech, Nurse, Maintenance, Laundry, Even Cleaning Crews.
    Even regular folks visiting folks.
    These are a combination of hospital security, which are armed, and off duty officers.
    This hospital is good!

    Instrument Room, Instruments used for certain surgeries, will ...well, one would not want to have these used against their person "incorrectly".
    ;)
     
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