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Hot 45 L.C. Loads In 1873 Replicas ?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by normanh, Jul 19, 2011.

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  1. normanh

    normanh Member

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    I am considering buying a 1873 Winchester Replica. Case hardened reciever. A Uberti or other manufacturer. Will these rifles handle Hot 45 L.C. loads ? I prefer a 44 Magnum but they are hard to find. Winchester Model 92 is not avaible now. Thanks Norman
     
  2. rcmodel

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    No.
    The 73 toggle-link action is not really strong enough for continuous use of any hot loads.
    They probably won't blow up, but will be rendered sloppy loose with excess head space in fairly short order.

    They are proof tested for standard pressure loads only.

    Uberti & others do not recommend "Ruger only" type loads in them.
    Those loads are probably higher pressure then the proof loads they used on them in Italy.

    rc
     
  3. ReloaderFred

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    A friend of mine makes his living selling and working on Winchester Model 66 & 73 replicas. www.pioneergunworks.com He sees more damage from firing heavy loads than anything else in these guns. As rc said, the toggle link isn't designed to handle heavy loads, and won't.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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    Not for long.
     
  5. normanh

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    Thanks. A friend bought a Winchester 92 10 or 12 years ago for a little over $300.00. Now they are over $1000.00.
     
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    The Win '92 action is far stronger. Isn't it Rossi that uses it for the .454 Casull?
    Rossi's are still under $500.
    Paco Kelly's Levergun forum
     
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    In my opinion, if you want 44 Magnum performance, get a 44 Magnum.

    While my opinion doesn't amount to much, I feel it is fool hardy to push the 45 Colt round for fear of getting hot rounds in a firearm not designed for them.

    So, whatever...
     
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    CDNN has some good prices on the new Winchester 1892s in .44 mag built by Miroku of Japan. The Mirokus generally are considered better replicas than the Italian copies.
    I had a Miroku Winchester 1885 single shot and I would highly recommend them.
     
  9. ArchAngelCD

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    normanh,
    Why do you need to use "hot" .45 Colt ammo in the first place? The .45 Colt cartridge was developed to send a 250gr lead bullet completely through a horse and it did that and still will at ~850 fps to 900 fps. There isn't much in North America that is tougher than a horse and there's not much a .45 Colt won't kill, especially with the added velocity gained from the longer barrel of a Carbine.

    A 255gr LSWC that is traveling between 850 and 900 fps from a 7" barrel revolver will probably gain ~200 fps from the longer barrel. Not bad at all IMO.
     
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    If you want a .44 magnum thats what you should buy.
     
  11. Huckelberry75

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    I wouldn't. Not worth ruining a nice gun. If you want to shoot hot loads or need more "umph" get another caliber.
     
  12. USSR

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    Nothing wrong with loading the .45LC "up", you just can't do it in that platform. That's why they don't offer a .44 Mag in that particular rifle.

    Don
     
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    USSR,

    Unfortunately, they do offer one in .44 Magnum: http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1873_rifle_and_carbine.php

    Everyone I know who works on them says they won't shoot or service one in .44 Magnum. Uberti claims to have improved the metallurgy and toggle link, but it remains to be seen if they hold up to a steady diet of .44 Magnum loads.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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    Another vote NO.
    The Ubertis weren't made for hot loads.
     
  15. USSR

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    ReloaderFred,

    Shocking!:eek: Personally, I wouldn't be anywhere's near someone shooting a 44 Magnum in an 1873-Type rifle.

    Don
     
  16. Huckelberry75

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    Absolutely nothing wrong with building "hot tamales" for the 45 lc. I do it regularly for the 7.5" blackhawk in my safe. Love love love shooting it. If someone needs more "umph" with their 45 lc, they need to make sure that the platform will support it and, by all means, have fun with the old war horse. Personally, I much prefer a 45 lc to a 44 mag. I find them much more pleasant to shoot, but each to his own.
     
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    I agree. However, going with such a weak platform as the 1873 Winchester negates the potential of the heavy load .45LC in such a rifle.

    Don
     
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