House IL - AWB Passes Out Of Committee HB873 8 to 5

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Yes with this bill ready to go in Illinois, and 10/22 drafted and waiting at the federal level I fear knee jerk reactions by congress critters. I look to see restrictions on all auto-loaders, magazine capacity, as well as restrictions placed on the amount of ammo one can posses. I have been ignoring much of this story untill now just because I really dont want to think about how badly the antis will exploit it.
 
I know what you mean. I been following it through the gun forums. I checked out a few different articles at the major newssites but in the end I am afraid IL residents are screwed. The kneejerk reactions are going to be what does us in. The VA nutjob basically did us all in with his actions. I honestly do not see any way that this bill will not pass in IL.
 
legislative bypassing

Committes to review proposed legislation, both in our state houses, and in the federal congress are a means for an oligarchy to pass laws that are against the best interest of the governed.

In this day of computer tallying of votes in the assemblies, it is no longer necessary to sieze bills behind closed doors for committe processing in order to table, stall, or otherwise interfere with the legislative process.
 
Re "knee-jerk" reactions by our elected things, and or the possibility thereof, one message must be, clearly an unmistakably sent to these people.

There will be significant, possibly fatal to their careers, results/costs attributable to such actions on their part.

The time for a clear showing by the people of this country that tampering with and or trashing of their rights, by their servants (those elected things) will no longer be tolerated is now. That this message should long since have been sent is beside the point, it very badly needs to be sent now.
 
Re "knee-jerk" reactions by our elected things, and or the possibility thereof, one message must be, clearly an unmistakably sent to these people.

There will be significant, possibly fatal to their careers, results/costs attributable to such actions on their part.

The time for a clear showing by the people of this country that tampering with and or trashing of their rights, by their servants (those elected things) will no longer be tolerated is now. That this message should long since have been sent is beside the point, it very badly needs to be sent now.
If only it was so easy. I dont think here in IL it matters. THey just dont care.
 
OK, folks, it's good to have a bull session from time to time, but now it's time to settle down, settle in and fight. Passing a committee doesn't mean jack; they massage the committee assignments until the distinctions between the different committees amount to nothing.

The reaction to the VA Tech shooting hasn't been anything like the reaction to--for instance--Columbine. Don't panic.
 
As a very old fashioned and strong believer in the 2nd, I would simply give them 2 options change the law or take em from my dead hands. People who want to see change need to have that kind of mentality...they cant arrest us all or shoot us all.
 
The reaction to the VA Tech shooting hasn't been anything like the reaction to--for instance--Columbine. Don't panic.

I agree with Don. Every poll that I have seen the results of shows we are winning. The majority of the public do not believe additional gun control would have helped. :what: I am shocked. Pleased:D , but shocked.

Having said that we have to be VERY careful in our language in regards to mass shootings. Tecumseh is correct.

I dont think that any sort of rhetoric or anything that can be perceived as violent is a good idea right now.


As for me I am going to poke holes in the other guys logic and not push (for now) for CCW on schools (Like Utah).

NukemJim


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Mark my words. The dems are playing possum. If they get a anti in the white house adn still control both houses of congress look out. People are right when they say the gun issue cost them various elections. I do not believe they changed their way of thinking just their way of speaking. They are waving the white flag of surrender in their right hand while their left is making deals that will be put into action as soon as they get the votes. Ig they control the White house and both houses of congress and stillsay no guncontgrol I will believe it. As long as tghey are still trying to gain ground watch their lips. If the lips are moving they are lying


Len
 
It's true that Democrats control congress, but it hasn't done them much good. Even McCarthy has stated that it is a pro gun congress now, and anti-gun legislation will be tough to pass. She is there on the floor and knows what she is up against in promoting what many now see for what it is, ineffective anti-gun legislation.

It does no good for them to pretend to be anything. In the long run it's their votes on the floor that count, not what they say, and as many editorials have pointed out lately the pro-gun voters don't forget. They will remember come next election, and the Democrats know that, they have experienced it first hand.

The primary goal of any politican is to be re-elected, and they can see the current trend in supporting self defense use of firearms that is sweeping across the nation. To take a stand against that could mean political suicide. After all, it is finally becoming obvious to the population that gun control hasn't worked any better than drug control, and even though the hard core anti-gunners still have their stand it seems that many of the fence-sitters that could go either way are starting to see the light. This is helped lately by the liberal media actually starting to air bits that are less biased, a shift away from the absolute gun control mentality of the past.

Times have changed, the biased liberal MSM is no longer the only source of information for concerned citizens. They now exchange information and facts instantly over the internet, and many that didn't realize it before are now seeing how biased against guns the MSM has become.

Politicians always want to be on the winning side. If the trend in pro-gun opinions continue we will see more of them doing a flip-flop in their stance on gun control, as Guillani and others have done. Still not pro-gun yet, but not as strongly anti-gun. As pro-gun becomes the "flavor of the month", supported by the opinions of the voters, many more will be jumping on board.

But then I tend to be an optimist....
 
Nukejim: I agree with you that the polls are showing we are winning. However how many of us are fixing those polls by continually voting on them?

The gun culture posts these links on numerous message boards and forums for all to see. However I dont know of any anti-gun message boards. There is no bradyforum.com or anything like that that I know of.

We see gunownership as a hobby and a right. If you dont understand look at how many forums we have dedicated to shotguns and technical aspects of guns. Gear and accessories etc. etc. So for us it is just more than a right but a hobby as well.

For them it is a problem and an issue. Not a hobby. An anti will not discuss caliber with you or what kind of grip you should hold your gun in. They wont tell you about the difference between a wood stock or a polymer. To them a gun is something that is irrelevant in their daily life.

So I do ask that we not take these polls into consideration. IT seems like gunowners are intentionally voting these polls in a pro-gun direction. But these votes dont matter, the one in legislature is what matters.
 
restrictions placed on the amount of ammo one can posses.

What would you consider reasonable? Personally, I'm fine with restricting the amount of ammo you can possess without some sort of safe storage area. I use ammo cans in the closet, but that only scales so far.
 
The main issue, as I see it, is the general ignorance of most people about guns and what they see as "gun culture". All they know is what they see in movies, hear in music, and see on the news. That's where these idiotic measures start.

So what can we as gun owners and citizens do? Well vote and be vocal for one, but to get converts we can't just spew rhetoric. The typical city dweller doesn't care one way or another, and even tends to lean towards gun legislation. In their minds restricting them will stop some of the stuff they hear about on the news. What they fail to see is that if criminals want guns they will get them, legally or otherwise(that's why they call them CRIMINALS).

My suggestion, take a coworker/neighbor out shooting if you can. Appeal to their pride, say that they should at least know what they want to restrict(Indirectly telling most liberals that they are ignorant tends to get them a little flustered, I've noticed). Worst that could happen is that they say no.

Just my 2 cents.
 
It's true that Democrats control congress, but it hasn't done them much good. Even McCarthy has stated that it is a pro gun congress now, and anti-gun legislation will be tough to pass. She is there on the floor and knows what she is up against in promoting what many now see for what it is, ineffective anti-gun legislation.

It does no good for them to pretend to be anything. In the long run it's their votes on the floor that count, not what they say, and as many editorials have pointed out lately the pro-gun voters don't forget. They will remember come next election, and the Democrats know that, they have experienced it first hand.
National level democratic politics are honestly pretty irrelevant in this discussion. Just because Democrats have to play nice on the national level to win the white house, don't expect state politics in NY, NJ, CA, IL to suddenly turn pro or even gun neutral.
 
I agree with you that the polls are showing we are winning. However how many of us are fixing those polls by continually voting on them?

Very good point.

You are correct about some polls being rigged by both sides. I was refering to some large natinal ones that would be hard to influence.

I have to go now. Work calls. When I get home tonight will do some checking to see if I was wrong in my perception.

NukemJim
 
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