House to move toward vote on Assault Weapons ban - 1st time in decades

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  1. AlexanderA
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    The difference between the Hughes Amendment and this prospective ban is in the number of existing weapons. Registered machine guns (in 1986) were in the hundreds of thousands, while "assault weapons" today are in the tens of millions.

    Note also that in the interval between the time that FOPA passed the House (April 10, 1986) and when it was signed by Reagan (May 19), there was a frantic rush to "paper" as many machine guns as possible. So there was a temporary glut of supply. Prices didn't dramatically begin to rise until about ten years afterwards.
     
  2. GEM

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    It might also be useful in GOP Senators when asked why one should own an AR (Thune) said it was so you can shoot prairie dogs. Ranks in there with DeVos wanting teachers to fight off bears.
     
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    Why do so many people think that the 2A is only about hunting?

    Then shocked when they find out its about all firearms.
     
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    That is going to be very difficult.

    The move is and of itself politics. I agree with Denton, theater but they need to keep any form of “power relations” they can with their base, that already have very low approval.
     
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    Come to California and live. You won’t be so flippant after a while.
    Like many states that have similar laws and regulations, not just for guns, but for everything, the residents seem to have Stockholm Syndrome.
     
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    My last duty station was Ft Irwin, Ca. And their gun laws were starting to get bad even in 1995. I saw the writing on the wall and couldn't get out of the state fast enough when I retired in 1996. We definitely don't want or need California type laws for the entire country.

    And you are correct, it goes well beyond just gun laws. The State threw a fit about all of the out of state privately owned vehicles on military bases that did not meet California emissions standards at that time. I know the Ft Irwin commanding General told the state to go fly a kite.
     
  7. Rule3

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    It is always the same rhetoric. They just keep copy and past the same legislation every time it comes up. Since 1994 or whatever, then of course there is the "definition" of an assault weapon. All those little parts that have nothing to do with anything just insane

    "common Sense gun laws"
    “It’s about our children"
     
  8. theotherwaldo

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    The leadership of both of our major parties are aristocrats, not representatives.
    Aristocrats are against the idea of the common folks having the means to resist the will of the aristocrats.
    Anyway, keeping things unsettled is a fine way to get votes and cash... .
     
  9. LiveLife

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    Actually to me, 2A is more than "arms".

    As clearly expressed by justice Thomas in Bruen ruling, Second Amendment is not a "second class" right and all the amendments in the Bill of Rights carry the fullness of being a first class right.

    So when "government" enforces the fullness of First Amendment right, to include modern forms of free speech like email/text/online forum, etc. (With certain exceptions of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, etc.), same first class right application extends to Second Amendment, to include modern types of arms like magazines and semi-auto firearms, etc.

    And like the 14th Amendment, First and Second Amendments protect ALL CITIZENS, not just privileged ones who want to impose on the liberties of others, even if they are minorities such as gun owners.
    So imposition on any of the Bill of Rights, like the Second Amendment is imposition on the entire Bill of Rights, as clearly expressed by justice Thomas.

    And ultimately, "We the People" still have the power to vote in (Unless "rigged") law makers at state and federal levels. ;):D:p
     
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    Here it all is. Sound and look familiar?????
    Copy, cut past only the dates have changed

    Note the date appendix of APPENDIX A—FIREARMS EXEMPTED BY THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF 2017

    If you have a pistol grip on a Ruger 10/22 that makes it a banned gun!
    Ruger Mini-14 (w/o folding or telescoping stock or pistol grip)


    https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
     
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    The dem party is not going to stop. They jammed the last one through and are pushing hard for the next step.The scotus decision just wound them up more . look what nys and the other anti 2A states have done made it harder to exercise a right .This country is on a very bad trajectory if things cant be stabilized.The rinos may make this a reality get on the phone and computers and jet the powers that be know we will not stand for any more nonsense!
     
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    My prediction is as follows:

    1) This doesn't go anywhere now thanks to the senate
    2) This is forgotten in 2024 when the pendulum swings back and 'conservatives' (cough cough) take back control
    3) 2028 comes, the pendulum swings back harder than ever, and the AWB gets pushed through with ease.

    This all assumes we're not just a big glowing rock in space by then.
     
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    This kind of pendulum doesn't swing that fast, especially after it has been pushed to the left as hard as it has over the last five years.
    It may take over eight years just to repair the damage done so far and I suspect that there is more damage coming before 2024.
    I hope y'all have stocked up... .
     
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    You can't have more of something they stop making, and the timeline isn't really important, they will however go up in price.
     
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    So he should have said to kill people more efficiently? Taking comments like this out of context burns the few allies we have in congress. Keep it up and see what happens.

    ETA here's a WaPo bit on the Thune comment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/08/ar15-prairie-dogs-thune-guns-republicans/
     
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    Because there are humans that are just plain idiots in this world. The same humans that will say the following sentence: "No one needs an "assault weapon" for hunting. It destroys the meat to where you can't eat the animal!"

    I've simply come to terms with the fact that there are just plain stupid humans around me and they want to make more humans think like them.

    I have not watched any local or national news in about 15 years now. I only read the news. People impart their bias in the written word as well. But I can read and not have to listen to all the constant commentary where they are trying to convince their audience to go along with their bias. My life became a much happier place when I quite watching or listening to any so called "news."

    The pendulum will swing one way and then the other way. My way remains steady and I've done a decent job in the last 15 years of simply living my life, raising my kiddos, and not worrying about what someone else is doing. Move out to the country a little bit and stay away from population centers and you too can live a life of luxury without outside influence.
     
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    People are scared to say it out loud for some crazy reason. Our 2nd Amendment is not for hunting. It is also not meant for self defense. It is there to ensure our country remains free along with the other amendments written and spelled out. We are a unique system of government throughout the world. Some will argue that it's flawed and want to change it. And even that process to change things is spelled out.

    Article V

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


    Don't like it, change it. But we are set up to make sure our laws are just and in line with the majority of Americans with at the same time making sure that the minority groups are not left out.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting (or target shooting, or collecting, or any sports uses). It's rooted in the colonial experience of the British trying to disarm the local militias. (The point of the expedition from Boston to Concord was to seize the cannon and gunpowder stored there.)

    The 2nd is a civic right. It's so that the people can resist foreign and domestic enemies. Even the use of arms for personal self defense is tangential to that.
     
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    In the original Greek, the aristoi were the best, the most able, the most excellent. If only our leadership was made up of the aristoi (as it was in the early Republic). Instead, we have demagogues (btw, another Greek word) that pander to the lowest strata of society.
     
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    The OP was about a proposed assault weapon ban. If you think it advances the cause to focus on anti-personnel use of the gun and to dismiss sporting and hunting use, you are like the bicycle rider who has the right-of-way but not the mass of the F-250 that occupies the same space.
     
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    Physics is a harsh mistress.
     
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    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
    If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
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    With the number of "assault weapons" that are out there, which someone said were in the 10s of millilons, I am wondering if someone will make the distinction between current ownership and future sales, and think they can get a bill through a lot easier if it only bans future manufacture and sales and lets current owners keep what they got? (Of course there are lots of issues with sales of those previously owned guns, inheriting them in a family, etc.).

    I've had the same thought with "hi-capacity" magazines.

    In both cases, if they are banned outright, including currently legal versions, enforcement (collection, seizure, etc.) would be almost impossible anyway. But banning only future production? Much more feasible and attainable in Congress.

    In short, lots of ways for pro-gun control groups to make a lot of mischief.
     
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    If they get this they will go after that evil 9MM--this crowd will never stop.
     
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    Maybe GOA can stop this. Heaven forbid we mention the NRA. That would be three thousand posts about how much we hate Wayne LaPierrre.
     
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