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Houston Pawn Shop shootout caught on tape

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by hillbilly, Apr 12, 2006.

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  1. hillbilly

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    I was kind of hoping that the world was rid of 3 more criminals...
     
  3. Hooligan

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    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Cuts down on repeat offenses that way.

    You're right hillbilly - no "what ifs" when they walk in and start firing. You either fight back with all you've got or you die.
     
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    Wow that is scary! I bet he starts going to the range a lot more. If I were him I would also think about getting some type of combat shotgun.
     
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    As the former owner of 2 Dallas pawn shops I can tell you that dealing with thugs is a part of the business.

    It's imperative to have a well practiced plan in the event of such an occurance.

    We came within a gnats whisker of being robbed once. Fortunately, myself and the 2 best men to deal with the situation were armed and working at the time;

    Three men walked in and I recognized within a minute something was about to go down. I used the code for robbery ("Jay, your aunt called"). The employees seperated and drew their weapons, as if examining them. I went behind the oneway glass and held a shotgun on these guys while calling 911. The 3 would be robbers "huddled" momentarily in the middle of the store, then exited, never to be heard from again.

    One of these 2 employees went to work at another pawn shop after I sold the stores. His new employer owned a number of stores and did not permit employees to carry weapons. After being robbed twice at gun point he quit the business because it just made him too nervous. He was a former Vietnam infantryman. A tough, heroic, good guy.
     
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    Tactics-wise, I don't think there's a much better way to react in this situation. Notice the shady guys coming in, stay low to the counter (at least it provides concealment, if not cover), grab a gun, and start shooting - that pretty much sums it up. It probably would have been better to get both hands on the gun, but from the video it doesn't look like there was much time for that. Thankfully no good guys were killed. I wonder what the female employee was shot with. Maybe birdshot? One of the criminals had a shotgun, right?
     
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    Hard to tell what the BGs were packing in the video, but the camera showed a closeup of some of the damage done, and it was definitely birdshot.
     
  8. Jim March

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    Yeah, once they came charging in blasting all he could do was crank a few back. Better marksmanship would have been nice in theory but hey, this was a pretty good outcome and miles better than the goblin's plan (everybody else dead).

    File under "not pretty but it worked".
     
  9. Double Naught Spy

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    My guess is that he had a shotgun. Like 2lucky, I was involved in the pawn business for a number of years. I can't recall a single pawnshop that allowed guns for employees that did not have a shotgun.

    Given that the Olympics are over for the time being, I don't think anyone is using style points when judging said events. Function points, they are still valid. The desired stop was produced.
     
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    Makes Me Wonder if They Were "Imports" from another State?

    Does anyone feel that there has been an increase in crimes in "other" locations with the evacuees from Katrina going elsewhere? Perhaps some of the undesirables feel that are less likely to get caught away from from home? Just a thought. Unfortunately I couldn't see the video.

    Doc2005
     
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    There was something in the newspaper a few weeks back about Katrina refugees in Dallas. There has been a mixed bag of results. First, there are the refugee on refugee crimes. Obviously, if they were not in Dallas, then Dallas would not have those crimes. You then have the locals who prey on the refugees in the form of opportunistic crime as can happy with high tourist areas that have a lot of non-local folks. You have refugee on locals crime where Katrina refugees were bad people at home are now bad people in their newly settled areas.

    How does this figure with the Houston pawn shop shooting? Businesses do get robbed, regardless of whether they are in a town with lots of refugees or not. I don't think bad refugees will do more crime because they feel they are less likely to get caught. If that was the case, you would have a lot more of highly mobile roving bandits. There are some, of course, but most bad guys don't do it.

    Then there are those that live in one place and do crime in another. For about the first 3 weeks of each new semester, the Bryan/College Station area (Texas A&M) would be hit with a rash of burgled cars, preference often (but not always) given to apartment complexes near the highway. Generally speaking, what you had was small bands of guys, usually out of Houston, but sometimes out of Austin who drive into town, burgle vehicles for a short period of time (1-3 hours) over several complexes and then head out of town. A given complex might get hit several times, but just a few cars at a time in those 3 weeks.
     
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    Wow.
     
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    posting messages

    can anyone help me figure out how to post my own entry and not just reply to others???

    thank you
     
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    When you are on the page where all the topics are listed, just click on the blue "new topic" marker and you can start your own thread.
     
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    I don't know what to say. Good outcome for sure.

    I just can't believe that the guy missed on all 5 or 6 shots. The distance wasn't so far that he couldnt' have hit one of the targets with at least one shot. Then again, he may have done just that....

    Anyway, the dude needs to AT LEAST go to the range more. Then consider investing in another weapon.

    Just kind of a scary thought that we have come to the times when in the middle of the day thugs come in to kill you and rob you with impunity. In the old days, when the robbers came back out they might have been shot to doll rags like the Dalton gang.
     
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    I agree 100%. He protected his turf, himself, and fellow employees by taking action.

    Did you hear what he said at the end? "I am afraid to leave here". Sounds like he needs to get training and a CCW permit.
     
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    There's nothing either way that suggests he does or does not possess a permit. And even the best training in the world won't make that fear go away - in all actuality it would be cause for alarm if he wasn't afraid.
     
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    Good Thing for Owner he's not in NYC

    If his store was located in NYC he'd have been charged with Reckless Endangerment (shooting in direction of street); gun taken; license suspended. What? No license--arrested on illegal gun charge.

    In a few weeks he'd be getting sued by the injured perps. Heck, even if they weren't hit they'd sue for psychological damage from being shot at. And they'd prolly win or get a settlement.

    After all, maybe the 3 gents were just tyring to pawn their weapons when either they went off by accident, or they shot in self-defense when the trigger happy store owner opened up on them.

    Don't mess with Texas!
     
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