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how can this be justified

Discussion in 'Legal' started by contender, Jun 16, 2009.

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  1. contender

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  2. Black Knight

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    Just remember Darwin gets plenty of candidates for the awards every year. This seems to be one waiting for the right moment.
     
  3. MisterMike

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    That is beyond incredibly stupid.
     
  4. DAVIDSDIVAD

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    Guys like that get to a point in their egos where they say "I'm so good at being tactical and awesome that I'm above the rules and physics."


    Also, IN B4 "U DONT NO WAT UR TALKING BOUT I TRAIN W/ THIS GUY AND HE IS SO TACTICAL
     
  5. Birdmang

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    This is also a repost of a deleted thread.
     
  6. alemonkey

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    Seriously, this video needs to come down immediately. All this is doing is providing fodder for the anti's that they can use to demonstrate how irresponsible gun owners are.
     
  7. contender

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    my appologies as i was thinking the legal troubles it could cause......especially if the graduated students carry this practice back home with them.

    does this belong in the general discussion forum instead of here? if so, moderators please feel free to move it.
     
  8. contender

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    and removing the video from here will not make it go away........it has already spread around the net . Perhaps the ones who created this video need to be addressed along with their company. it is best to acknowledge, confront, and deal with a problem than to hide it and pretend it did not happen-----respectfully.

    i've already emailed them.
     
  9. Husaberg Man

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    It makes photographers look like rocket surgeons.
     
  10. contender

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    not to mention giving insurance agents ulcers......wonder if the range was insured by the NRA?
     
  11. LibShooter

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    That's crazy. I used to be a TV news photographer but never did anything that stupid.

    I once shot a story at a body armor manufacturer. The reporter wanted to do the cliche "aim the pistol at the mannequin wearing vest with the camera over its shoulder" stand up. She claimed to be a very good shot and wouldn't hit me. I set up the camera and fled to a safe spot behind the reporter.

    Above the report of the Glock we heard a metallic ring and saw the camera move. The shot took out a little hunk of the tripod leg right in front of where my pelvis would have been.

    Luckily, my dad started teaching me about gun safety about the time I learned to talk. One of our photographers whose parents "kept him safe from guns" by pretending they didn't exist might not have known better and had his family jewels shot off.
     
  12. TexasRifleman

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    Well there's one training source marked off the list anyway.

    The photographer may be an idiot for doing that, but that "school" should be gone.
     
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    What morons
     
  14. PT1911

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    whats wrong... they are only 10 yards away or so, not like they could possibly miss. He is MUCH safer in his squatted position between targets spaced 3 feet apart than he would have been standing at the end of the firing line. and he got some wonderful pictures of 2 shooters.


    Everyone involved in this video should be ashamed and embarrassed.
     
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    Although for a school for average civilians I dont condone what is shown.
    A few corrections, the firing line is 3 yards away, not 10.
    I do know of a few training courses in the US where special military units, special law enforcement units and individuals from these units engage targets with live subjects in the room, or down range, but never a civilian training course.
    One the trainers stand next to targets in a room when HRT (hostage rescue teams) enter and clear the rooms.
    Once I had a news cameraman wanting to postion himself in front, but to the side of me while I was shooting on a range, I refused for lack of trust in his reactions, not my own.
    Like I said, I dont condone this.
    ...and the next runner up for the Darwin award is....
     
  16. contender

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    seriously, i know that a lot of folks who go to ranges or attend classes sometimes sign a "no harm" wavier concerning potential accidents or concerning the materials and training they cover in a classroom.

    does these no-harm agreements really hold water? Does a simple signature release this guy and the range from liability?

    how about taking these training practices home and doing them with the neighbor? its a sue happy world we live in. it would seem to me the firearms instructor is liable for what he teaches.
     
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    who do I write? I mean, if this is a shooting, or tac or any other kind of school, can you publish an email or an address so I can write them and tell them why I would NEVER do business with them, because they are potentially DESTROYING the image of responsible shooters?
    If you don't want to post publicly, pm me the info, but seriously, I would like to make sure these people know I will NEVER recommend them.
     
  18. Extremely Pro Gun

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    I hate people who destroy the gun owners image.
     
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    That video is so out-of-control ridiculous that I have a hard time believing it isn't some kind of fake or spoof. If it is real, that is sad and disturbing. It violates everything I have ever learned about firearms safety, or plain common sense, for that matter.
     
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    I get nervous about setting a camera up on a tripod in front of the firing line and filming remotely because I always figure Murphy is hanging around ready to cause some mayhem. No way would I be willingly standing down by the targets.
     
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    What's the problem?

    I used to do this all the time - oh wait.... I was in the Army and in Viet Nam!

    Idiots. Darwin is alive and well.
     
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    Guys - this thread does not exist so we can go about name-calling. The OP asked a question, appropriate for this forum, about the legal ramifications of such a training exercise.

    Either address that point, or the thread gets locked. We do not engage in name-calling, either against folks on this forum or elsewhere.
     
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    I don't think it can be justified by any sane person. I don't believe any insurance company would continue to insure after they saw this video. All for a couple of "cool pictures of me shooting".
     
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    What ever happened to using a tripod & a shutter switch?
     
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    Honestly, do you actually know in the first person, anyone that is in one of these "units" where live humans stand next to targets and someone comes through a door with live ammunition and only shoots the targets?

    Really?
     
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