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How do I know it's a real gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lovesbeer99, Mar 19, 2009.

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  1. Lovesbeer99

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    So I see this item for sale on ebay and it's a Kentucy Pistol. The only thing it's missing is the barrel. So is this a gun or not? I know that for most firearms the frame with the serial number is considered the gun, but what about a blackpowder gun? What makes it a gun, the barrel, or the lock or the stock or what?

    I like the item, but I don't want to break any laws.
     
  2. PT1911

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    to my knowledge, E-bay does not allow the sale of guns, so.. infer from that what you will...
     
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    Muzzleloading weapons aren't guns, Federally.
     
  4. Lovesbeer99

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    Ok, but 2 things.
    1. If it had a barrel then it would be a gun
    2. I live in nj so I need a permit to buy a handgun. Does

    Does this qualify?
     
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    I dunno about NJ, but in alabama, a muzzel loader does not require paperwork (unless there is a manufacturer option of turning it into a single shot rifle), therefore, I doubt it would require a permit.
     
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    Incorrect.

    As PTK said, black powder guns do not qualify as "firearms" as far as Federal law is concerned.

    Whether or not NJ feels the same way, however, is another story.

    I suggest you do a bit of research in regards to how NJ classifies the sale of black powder items, and go from there.
     
  7. Lovesbeer99

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    so if i lived in another state, then i could buy a blackpowder pistol or rifle on the internet and have it shipped to my house? no need for an ffl?

    maybe i need to move. what's the most gun friendly state in the warmer side of this union?
     
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    AZ, is 112 during the summer warm enough for you.
     
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    That is correct. Since they're not legally considered firearms, you can buy all you want and have them shipped right to your door, just like any other non-regulated item.

    And as far as the NJ permitting situation goes, this is a quote directly from their FAQ page:

    Which is interesting, because as stated, black powder firearms aren't considered firearms by the BATF. So, how can they (the NJ State Police) require you to procure a permit for a handgun before you buy one?

    I'd really be curious to see a court case testing the legality of that one, if it hasn't been done already.
     
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