How does one now defend (in a nutshell) owning AR-15s?

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Regardless of the accuracy... in fact, in spite of the inaccuracy, this is a pretty powerfull speech from a 17 yr old student to a nation that is listening right now.

These two parts however, concerns me as it indicates the culture that is spreading at an alarming rate and also how the culture is fostered.

The news source doesn't matter but here it is.

What matters is that the nation is listening to this and what the culture is and who/how it's being spread.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/florida-student-emma-gonzalez-speech/index.html



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If you're not actively involved, you'll have no one to blame but yourselves when YOUR 2A rights are cut in half from where it is today and YOUR KIDS don't have a 2A Right any where close to what it is today.
Her speech may have been rousing to the crowd, but is patently full of factual innacuracies and outright lies.
I especially like the part where she claims you don't need a permit to conceal a long gun in Florida- under no circumstances may a long gun be concealed here, and they may only be open carried under very specific circumstances.
I call BS.
 
Look at California. No detachable mags at all.

I don't want to derail this but this isn't right.

CA basically has the AWB. You can have detachable mags all day long (no more than 10 rounds) as long as the rifle doesn't have other scary features.
 
Her speech may have been rousing to the crowd, but is patently full of factual innacuracies and outright lies.
I especially like the part where she claims you don't need a permit to conceal a long gun in Florida- under no circumstances may a long gun be concealed here, and they may only be open carried under very specific circumstances.
I call BS.


I agree 100%

Unfortunately, the nation is listening and believing because she was there and she is an innocent kid
 
Try telling them that instead of giving up our 2nd Amendment rights, we give up on the precious 1st. No more smart phones, go back to dial up internet, "no one needs high speed internet", heck, we could go back to rotary phones. The founders never envisioned skype or instagram, or youtube. Actually, why not get rid of that pesky 4th, police can search you, go through your phone, social media, email, your car. Clearly the founders never considered electronics.

Maybe that will put into perspective why Americans need AR-15 's or better. Though I doubt it.
 
Ignition Override asked:
How does one now defend (in a nutshell) owning AR-15s?

It depends.
  • What are the specific arguments being arrayed against owning it?
  • Is the person asking for information or is the question rhetorical?
  • Is the person willing to engage in a discussion of your position vis-a-vis theirs?
  • Is the person rational?
As far as I am concerned, unless you have someone who has a specific argument, is rational, is willing to listen to you as much as you listen to them and has actually asked a valid question (and not just argument bait) there's no point even responding to them as what ensues is only going to degenerate into a shouting match between people who are already invested in their positions and entrenched in their arguments.

Nothing good can come out of that.
 
I don't advertise what I own to people I don't know. I did point out that beta-mags are unreliable junk & that the one used at the Aurora theater shooting jammed during a college lecture.
 
Well, none of their business if you own an AR15 or not.
No more of their business than if I own books others find offensive.

But, if reasoned, rational debate is at all probable, because there are between 8 and 12 million AR in the US, and maybe 30 have been used in a crime in the 50 some-odd years they have been for sale. That's 0.00025%. Or 25/100,000ths percent.

My new analogy (having been through others, like cars, which derail the argument) is pit bulls. "Everyone" knows all pitbulls are, 100%, universally dangergous and deadly, and ought be banned. Other than the thousands happily loved and cared for who have done no harm to children and small pets. Ever.
 
As long as brain chemistry altering medications are being prescribed at the massive level that they are now...you are going to have a certain percentage of people go off and do unbelievably bizarre acts that will include killings. Read the warnings on the label! Most say something to the effect that 'suicidal or homicidal thoughts or actions' are side effects....and to this date I believe that the vast majority of mass killers have been on such drugs. Do the benefits of these drugs on people that they help outweigh the occasional person that kills because of them? I hope so...and the only real defense is to be prepared and carry.

To the OP question about AR's....I have two, one being the most accurate rifle in the safe, (Varminter) the other being the smallest/lightest carbine in 5.56 (Pre-ban Gov. Carbine). It might be worth mentioning to an 'Anti' that it's no different than any other semi-auto...but this mostly just gets them saying that ALL should be banned. I can normally tell if someone is actually asking for information while trying to formulate their opinion and not asking for you to join them in their gun hate. When you don't agree with a 'hater'....they normally get angry and can't carry on a decent conversation. It's because they likely don't understand WHY they believe what they believe...and when you try to find out what they used to formulate their opinion they would be forced to admit that they don't know jack squat about things and are just parroting an emotional conclusion given to them by someone else.

It is irresponsible and wildly inaccurate to state that legally prescribed medicine is responsible for these acts.
 
wmgeorge and fellow THR folks: As for how many school children have been killed by a (Ryder etc) rental truck, maybe none on US school property---so far. I don't know what would stop them, without physical barricades, and on adjoining streets.

But looking at the horror with rental or stolen service truck attacks in Nice France, Berlin, the London bridge, New York City, it might be more than a few children. This is not to minimize at all the tragedy of losing helpless kids in a school, even with one Armed school security guard---but no armed teachers in most states.

If many kids < 18 were killed in those truck attacks, a few here and there don't make "Good Copy" (newspaper lingo) like a single school for the types of politicians who want to immediately exploit the blood shed.
Had it been a Keltec .223, or Mini 14 etc instead of a scary-looking (inhabited by evil spirits) AR in Florida, the gun story would be much less dramatic, an unknown rifle which is Not Known to be a select-fire/fully Automatic gun, because ARs apparently are the only guns which can kill lots of people. And they are "Full Auto", as CNN and MSNBC very often have suggested to willfully mislead the public.

"AR means Assault Rifle to some college kids" in a local college Criminal Justice class.
Their police instructor in that class, today at the private shooting club told me that they simply form their impressions based on iPhone etc social media. He told those kids regarding AR=Assault Rife "You don't know what you are talking about".
My Sig P229 (or 226) and M11 A1s or almost identical Sigs were issues to LEOs, Secret Service etc, various forces around the world and some Spec Ops units. As they are Not ARs, nobody would use such handguns to hurt/kill civilians.

I mentioned my wife's sympathy for a temporary ban of ARs. She has forgotten about my five AKs and pair of SKS, which she has seen more than a few times, not just in gun cases. And with this latest tragedy, it's All About The AR.
She wouldn't know an AR if she saw one (majored in under. & post-graduate Voice), other than presented on a tv show.
 
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If you didn't agitate to ban box cutters after 9/11, don't agitate to ban guns - it just highlights your hypocrisy. How many children died in the Twin Towers? Completely lawful items misused, box cutters and jet airliners. How many died in NYC under the wheels of a Home Depot rental truck - did we act to ban Home depot?
There is no way to have American Freedom and ban common use items because a very few people misused them. It IS very American to stand up and take one's own safety in hand, as the Supreme Court has already ruled the police are NOT required to protect you, or, (GASP!), your child. Remember the phrase in loco parentis? Schools need to be empowered to protect the kids and protect the kids from themselves - the last time I went to my son's school the out of control ruckus I saw was stunning. That would have flown about three inches in my school before we would have been shut down flat.
Want to lower murders? Deport criminal aliens and Build the Wall - 382 criminal aliens sit in Arizona prisons for murder RIGHT NOW. Did the Leftists cry about THOSE deaths? No, but they sure want to protect the ones who did it!
I don't need to defend the AR-15; the Left need to defend the indefensible - it's own blatant hypocrisy.
 
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But, if reasoned, rational debate is at all probable, because there are between 8 and 12 million AR in the US, and maybe 30 have been used in a crime in the 50 some-odd years they have been for sale. That's 0.00025%. Or 25/100,000ths percent.
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Sadly rationale debate isn’t possible with the majority of those on the far left. It’s also not possible with many in the center or on the right too.

I was personally attacked on a friends FB by one of his cousins. It seems she’s a far left wing extremist who had to result to personal attacks because facts upset her.

Sadly my friend supported Chris Hurt (the anti gun reporter whose fiancé was killed live on TV outside of Roanoke and who was elected to the House of Delegates) because he was a friend, not for his political views. Views which included getting Ca style gun laws into Va. Yet my friend claims to be one of us and is a gun owner, went to the range with me often.

If people like my friend are going to elect peole like Hurt, I’m not sure what we do.
 
If you didn't agitate to ban box cutters after 9/11, don't agitate to ban guns - it just highlights your hypocrisy ...
Not disagreeing at all with you, bro -- but 9/11 got us TSA -- can't we just imagine what's gonna come of all this now? I've got a bad feeling ...

For those who advocate not bothering to engage with those on the other side, I strongly disagree. We do not need to defend, but we do need to educate. If you walk away from someone who might be willing to actually listen to your point of view, and many of us continue to do so, we've lost. There are folks out there that we could reach, if we try.
 
It is irresponsible and wildly inaccurate to state that legally prescribed medicine is responsible for these acts.
Oh really? How so?

Mind altering prescription drugs seem to be a common denominator in these shootings.

It's a multi billion dollar industry that also seems to be the primary sponsors of the fake news networks that spout the propaganda to disarm us.

When people are being driven into a corner to "justify their AR-15" by this corporate combine, the light needs to be turned on them for a change. And mind altering prescription drugs are a good place to start.
 
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