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How gun people are different

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Owen Sparks, Jun 11, 2007.

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  1. Owen Sparks

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    I have noticed over the years that we gun people as a group tend to be a little different than the average person.

    Unfortunately, the future of our gun rights lies in the hands of "the average American voter" who is not very passionate about guns one way or the other.

    If I had to venture a guess, most people probably feel the same way about guns that you feel about knitting. You know what a knitting is, You have a general concept of how its done, but beyond that, you really don't care. You are totally indifferent because you are just not interested.

    Sure there are a few died in the wool pro and anti gun people on both ends of the spectrum who will never change their opinion no matter what, but the vast majority is sitting on a fence somewhere in the middle and can be swayed.

    I think the concept that many of us don't get is that the average person tends to default to their emotions when it comes to things that they don't understand because feeling is easier than thinking. The news media in this country (who as a group tend to be left of center) knows this and are masters at manipulating people by their emotions. They do this by skillfully use of language. By using a term like "sniper rifle" or "assault weapon"
    rather than scoped deer rifle or modern utility rifle makes these firearms sound sinister. After all who in their right mind would support killing cops or sniping at innocent victims? Uninterested people are just not going to go to the effort to find out the true facts. They just go with their feelings.

    Now please, this is ONLY a generalization, but as a group we tend to be a little more logical minded than the average person. We tend to be more interested in THINGS than people.

    Most people seem to be interested in personalities. They follow tabloid
    gossip and love drama. They are very keen on pop culture and they practically worship celebrities.

    Take for example the hottest show in country right now, American Idol.

    For many people, their greatest fantasy and dream come true would be to be a celebrity. They seem very concerned with what other people think of them and are very group orientated.

    Gun people, not so much. We like things and concepts related to things. We tend to have jobs and hobbies that reflect this. We are more likely to be head of maintenance than head of human recourses. We are more likely to be
    engineers or work with computers than be councilors or social workers. We would be surgeons rather than pediatricians or psychiatrists, mow grass rather than wait tables. When we do watch TV it is likely the History channel or Discovery channel. We like to hunt, fish, ride motorcycles and participate rather than watch other people play sports.

    I noticed Saturday at the IDPA pistol match that no one said a word about Paris Hilton going back to jail. Even though it was all over the media, no one really seemed to care.

    If we are to win this battle for our second amendment rights, we have got to realize that the average person holds the power and we must be aware how critical something as simple as what we call our rifle is.

    Please see my thread on MODERN WEAPONS.

    OS
     
  2. Autolycus

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    So do you have any statistics to back up this statement:

    I agree that a lot of people do not care about guns because they have no interest in them. And that people are usually guided by their fear of the unknown but I dont think they are quite the idiot sheep that you are trying to make them out to be while gunowners are more logical minded than nongunowners.

    I have seen many who own guns and it does not mean they are special or somehow more logical thinkers. Owning a gun is not really a good way to measure intelligence. As I was saying some of them are morons. If you look around the forums here you will notice that a lot of people rant on about the idiots in their CCW/CHL/CWP classes, the gunshop, the ranges, and other places.

    In my experience I have read many posts by people who base their ideas and feelings on inexperience and the fear of the unknown but I do not judge all gunowners by them.

    I dont know where you get any basis for the following statement:

    Do you have any facts to support these claims? I can see gunowners more likely to be hunters because hunting (not all types) may require a gun. But the rest of your statement sounds like nothing but your bias that gunowners are somehow better people or somehow fit a certain mold that you want them to fit.

    As for Paris Hilton, well I dont know many people who care but there are a lot. And just because nobody talked about it at a pistol match does not prove anything. I went out to a coffeeshop and there were many people there who did not own guns sitting with me. And guess what, we did not talk about Paris Hilton. So what does that prove? Absolutely nothing except that some people did not talk about Paris Hilton at that particular time.

    It seems that on another forum where outside topics are allowed there are a lot of Paris Hilton Discussions.

    http://www.glocktalk.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1605364&sortby=&sortorder=

    So once again, do you have any facts to support these claims?
     
  3. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    This may come as a shock, but "gun people" are just like everyone else.

    Guess what? Some "gun people" did watch American Idol, they did talk about Paris Hilton, work a pediatricians and wait tables. Shockingly enough, lots of "non-gun people" didn't participate any of those activities.

    As far as more logical, you simply need to read more posts on gun boards to learn that is not the case.

    Quit trying to make it out as though having a gun magically changes you into a different person.

    Gun owners are, by and large, average people. Frankly, that is a good thing.
     
  4. El Tejon

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    Ummm, sports? Don't know about all the gun nuts, but actually some gun people have the taste to watch the greatest football team in the history of football--the Indianapolis Colts.:D

    Don't know if I agree with your conclusions about the gun culture as a whole, but I do agree that it is important to teach others, especially kids. Each one, teach one.:)
     
  5. JohnL2

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    I think the media is more attuned to covering outrageous individuals and their outrageous behavior. One reason: it gets ratings.

    I don't think that they want to take away ALL of our guns. Except for a few leftist lunatics.
    But they sure do want to clamp down on the ability to get guns. No doubt about it. Preventative measures seems to drive their ambitions. Hey life is messy, do the best you can.

    Oh, Paris who?
     
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    Man, you guys are rough on the new guy. He's just looking for some validation...by slamming folks that seek validation. C'mon. :neener:
     
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    Pats fan here! Wait till next season... Doubt you'll repeat!
     
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    Oh, the vast leaps in logic we see here. If someone watches a show where the contestants may, theoretically, become celebrities, they must be worshipping the celebs or wishing it were them.

    (nb: no interest in American Idol because the music isn't my bag - but I do have Top Chef set up as a TiVO season pass)
     
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    Gun people, not so much. We like things and concepts related to things.
    Well, since guns are "things" you might have a point there.


    We tend to have jobs and hobbies that reflect this.
    Maybe you should make this into a poll and prove or disprove your point...?

    We are more likely to be head of maintenance than head of human recourses.
    Well, I'm stuck with being "head of maintenance" around our house ;)
    Wife is head of human resources - she "hired" me to fix things.

    We are more likely to be engineers or work with computers than be councilors or social workers.
    Got me there - I'm a "software engineer."

    We would be surgeons rather than pediatricians or psychiatrists,
    I can cut up a deer - does that count?

    mow grass rather than wait tables.
    Mowing grass, cutting trees, building fence ... yeah

    When we do watch TV it is likely the History channel or Discovery channel.
    Don't watch TV at all except for videos/DVDs. (often John Wayne)

    We like to hunt, fish, ride motorcycles and participate rather than watch other people play sports.
    Hunting, horseback riding, hiking with my dogs - yep! I've never been to a major sports event, just a few horse shows and rodeos.
     
  10. wooderson

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    The juxtaposition of 'mow grass' and 'wait tables' is a strange one. Waiting tables is, air-conditioning aside, easily as physical a task as landscaping.

    When I turned 18 and got my first real waiting gig, I lost 25 pounds in about six weeks just from six to twelve hours of speed-walking every shift.
     
  11. jlbraun

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    I personally don't like the pervasive meme among gun owners that we're somehow "more enlightened" or "sheepdogs" because we own firearms.
     
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    What you talking about, Willis?
     
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    It may be just coincidence, but the OP nailed it in my case. Can't speak for the rest of you touchy-feely, subjective, left-brain, couch potatoes.
     
  14. Alex45ACP

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    +1

    Some people just have never been exposed to guns, the "gun culture", etc. Up until a few years ago, I didn't really know anything or care about the issue. Mostly because I grew up in a place where no one had them (except criminals, cops, and politicians). It just wasn't something I thought about at all.

    However, since I have gotten into it, I have gotten a few other people who were previously very anti-gun and turned them into pro-gunners. Even talked one of them into getting a concealed weapons permit. If every one of us "converted" just a couple other people, we could greatly increase our numbers. That doesn't mean being aggressive about it. It just means setting a good example and providing info and etc. when asked.
     
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    Think the OP was on to something, classifying gun owners was not it.
    I work in IT, of the 14 colleagues I work with 9 are gun owners, 3 are vocal anti, 1 Canadian and 1 Indian (work visas). Of the 9 gun owners there are 3 hunters, 2 waiting for SHTF, the others are some combination of collector, supporter of RKBA or something else. 2 of the gun owners talked with others about american idol and regularly talk about pop gossip. Of the 3 antis one of them is a robot, could care less about anything outside of work while at work. Drinks at a retirement party brought out the anti in him, otherwise I wouldn't have known. Point-we're all different.

    Gun owners are normal everyday people like you and me ;) Seriously, gun owners are all walks of life-hunters, SHTF zombie killers, pagens, Christians, Muslims, gay, straight, pro-life, pro-choice, computer geeks, pierced freaks, college kids, retired sanitation engineers, preachers, teachers, high school dropouts, doctors and lawyers, head bangin' hair band lovers, opera attending, dressed in flannel or a kilt or a tutu. Gun owners are a pretty diverse bunch.
     
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    Geeze ! It looks like the gun people also tend to overthink what is presented as personal observation and attack it as if someone was trying to present hard fact.

    Actualy I think the OP has some good observations in his post.

    Looks like some just ingored that ! Anyway, I found some plausable observations in the posting and certainly agree that if we who want to continue to live in a country where the 2nd amendment has any teeth, that we better pay attention to the factors that endanger that right . If not, you will see democracy at it worst ,and the failure of the republic.
     
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    :rolleyes:

    I am sorry but that is a lie. Everyone knows the Chicago Bears are the greatest team in football. We only lost because Rex Grossman is a traitor to them.

    Either way gunowners are just regular people and some are morons while others are not. It really is the individual and I dont feel that I can stress that enough.
     
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    Yes but the impression I got was that the original poster was trying to make gunowners seem as if they are somehow better than the others. The poster tried to make it seem as if gunowners are more educated, hard working, in better physical shape, outdoorsy, alnd had numerous positive (well what is supposed to be positive in my opinion) traits while non gunowners are fat lazy celebrity obsessed loudmouthed uneducated idiots. And this is simply not true.

    To me it seemed like the point of this post is to make generalizations about others while simply pumping the self image and egos of gun owners. As a gun owner I would not stand for it.
     
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    The 2 things I forgot to mention...former/current military, former/current activist, sports nuts.

    And even sports nuts are diverse in that we can't agree which athlete single handedly did the most for his sport while he played. The Great one, of course is the #1, even if he was from North of the border.

    Greatest team in football...Indy just won a SB, after how many consecutive failed attempts. The are the greatest until proven otherwise next February, darn Manning. I hate him so much I wish he played for my team. I kind now understand why so many people hated Elway.
     
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    I dunno...Some of the generalizations and analogies aside...Owen has made some very good points, and I can see what he's angling at here.

    Welcome aboard, Owen. Once you've finished running the gauntlet, I think you'll enjoy your stay.
     
  21. Prince Yamato

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    Hmm... I think the best description I've received about gun owners, I received when I shot my first gun at Calibers in Albuquerque, NM.

    Me: "I'd like to rent a gun and shoot for the first time"
    Clerk: "Ok"
    Me: "I'm really not like the stereotypical gun-person"
    Clerk: "Most people aren't."


    The last line always stuck with me. Not everyone will fit the stereotype. In fact, I think most don't.
     
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    Hard to believe anyone who's been to a gun show or a shooting range would claim that..
     
  23. lamazza

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    Yup me too.
     
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    It appears to me that the OP's core concept is that:

    i.e. We like facts, they like feelings... if you'll permit me that interpretation.

    How interesting then, that the very next post requests:

    by way of refuting the original poster's thought!

    :D :banghead:
     
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    Is it just me? Or do all gun owners hear whispers coming from the gun safe in the middle of a dark, cold, quiet night???

    :evil:
     
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