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how long do you think it will be until brass and bullets are thing of the past?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JLStorm, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. JLStorm

    JLStorm Member

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    There hasnt been any really huge change in ammunition technology in a while. People are still using blackpowder to hunt, and still use lead based ammo often. I am happy with the current rounds and weapons available, but it seems like innovation drives the markets and I was wondering how long you think it will be until brass and bullets are thing of the past in leathal weapons for the every day civilian and LEO markets.
     
  2. MErl

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    until extremely good batteries of some kind hit the market.

    powder is never going to fully go away though given that flintlocks are still popular.
     
  3. DoubleTapDrew

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    Since there hasn't been any serious propellant innovations that I know of, it'll probably be the same until someone develops a reliable compact destructive laser. Maybe someone will come up with a turbo-diesel rifle, hehe
     
  4. chris in va

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    Man, I hope soon. Projectiles are so old-school. We've been throwing things at enemies for millenia.

    Frankly I think the taser is the most innovative weapon to come down the pike in a long time.
     
  5. Jack A. Sol

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    as long as it's non electric it will be available to some extent.

    ditto on the battery thing tho, as it may become more efficient to carry a spare battery than 100 rounds of ammo.
     
  6. yesit'sloaded

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    Magnetic accelerators and energy weapons are very real. At this point they cannot be carried because of energy requirements. Polymer casings are out there but they are not yet cost effective. It would not surprise me if we got rid of brass cases in the next 20 years. Possibly something like a carbon barrel could be made if cost were not object.
     
  7. zinj

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    Well, muzzleloaders using blackpowder were the standard for a couple of hundred years. Before that arrows were the standard for a couple of thousand years.

    I'd say that smokeless powder cartridge arms still have a good bit of their run left in them. I'm sure there will be changes to the materials that make up the case and bullet as raw materials prices change and technology progresses. A major paradigm shift? Not for a while.
     
  8. LeonCarr

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    TASERs have been around since the 1970s. The bad guys used an early TASER to kidnap the mayor in the Dirty Harry movie The Enforcer.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  9. Hunter0924

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    I hope it is a long time. I love 69gr Sierra MatchKings and IMR 4895.
     
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    179years, 4 months, 10days, 4hours, 36min, and 23 seconds exactly
     
  11. CountGlockula

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    "Set phasers on 'STUN'".
     
  12. Guido2006

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    Assuming that a viable beam/energy weapon comparable to a rifle is created in the coming years, a good question is raised:

    Will the "right to bear arms" be extended to these weapons?

    Clearly, in the context of the 2nd Amendment as defense from government and for the militia, they should certainly be allowed.

    However, given the claims of ".50 BMGs taking down jets" I can only imagine the propaganda that will be spewed forth by the antis in response to private ownership of beam/energy weapons.
     
  13. bulgron

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    Parker makes it clear that the 2A is supposed to allow US citizens to keep and bear arms equivalent to the military arms of the day. So if Parker is upheld, then yes, I think we'll be allowed to own beam/energy weapons once they become available.

    But by then we'll also have force fields capable of stopping a hand-held beam weapon, so the balance will be preserved. :)
     
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    I'd actually like to see caseless ammo become popular. I know it's been experimented with, but it never really caught on. Being somewhat of a sci-fi fan, I wouldn't mind seeing effective energy/plasma weapons either. They would probably be alot cheaper to shoot, seeing as all you'd have to do is recharge a battery...
     
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    Told you those "suppository guns" wold never catch on. My flintlock still works fine.
     
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    Alright, how about this.

    Still use ammo, just without the bullet. The energy derived from the expanding gasses could power some sort of pulse generator.:scrutiny:
     
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    And thus are lightsabers born.
     
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    Don't count on it. There's already a ban in place on any gun similar to the mythical Glock 7, from what I've heard.

    If it's simple enough to make, you should be able to find a 'make your lightsaber guide' on any linux or anime forum in the future.
     
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    I'd say a VERY long time -- on the order of centuries. Think about it. Guns that fire brass-cased cartridges are astoundingly effective and far cheaper than any other tool that does the same thing. We still use knives, right? You could use a high-tech laser scalpel to cut your food, but a sharp piece of steel with a handle does as good a job for about a millionth the cost.

    The only events that could cause guns/bullets to go away are:

    A) Exhaustion of natural resources required (not likely)
    B) Cheaper and/or more effective alternative becomes available
    C) Disappearance of the need to make holes in things at a distance
     
  20. Wheeler44

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    The government already has energy beams, they showed them on TV.
     
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    I doubt that there will be any significant changes for a long long time.

    Some things remain the same because it has achieved a level of design & efficiency that cannot be improved on much: quick examples would be knives and drinking cups. No significant change in design for 6,000 years except for materials and method of manufacture.

    Lead bullets will keep on being used because they are the most efficient in transferring energy into target. Except for materials, accuracy and speed, firearms have served the same purpose for the past 700 years.
     
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    Hopefully for a very long time. Polymer cases, bah! Caseless ammo? Pfffft! If you can't reload them I don't want it! Call me a Luddite.
     
  23. RockyMtnTactical

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    I'm guessing at least 100 years from now, at least for brass... not sure about bullets.
     
  24. Rokyudai

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    meh...we go back to clubs
     
  25. 6_gunner

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    If things continue the way they're going, Big Brother will be watching us through the tele-screens by then, so there may not be much of a civilian market. :uhoh:
    It would be pretty cool, though. I'll take one of those blasters from Star Wars.
     
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