Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Mousegun, Sep 18, 2009.
Based on the people I know and CHL instructors with whom I have spoken here in Texas, about 15-25% carry daily. The rest do it part time, when they feel threatened, when they travel, or not at all.
A lot of people don't make sense, like those with DLs that don't own a car or that own a car and who opt to use public transportation, etc. Having the license doesn't mean having to carry all the time or at all, but having the option to do so. For those of us who carry all the time, it may not seem logical, but it really is quite logical, especially when not everyone wants to carry all the time.
That is my take also. I frankly don't want to carry a gun all the time. It is way too much trouble unless it's is OC. When the threat level increases, I'll be armed night and day. The permit gives you the ability to adjust your carry based on your perception of threat level.
"i can see no reason NOT to carry once you have the permit, other that going to the hospital (to visit someone), or church on sunday...."
It's legal where I live to carry at church...never mind...perhaps that's another thread...
Most people buy a handgun, fire maybe a box of ammo through it, don't clean it, stuff some cheap target loads into the magazine (chamber empty of course) and throw it into a glove box or maybe if they are going into the "bad part of town" a fanny pack or purse.
They tell themselves and others willing to listen that they are "armed and protected", However experienced Gunmen that take carrying seriously know this not to be the case.
"Gunman" probably needs to be changed to criminal. A sense of security is a good thing even though many of us would be dead if we encountered a real criminal who has no respect for human life.
What? I was speaking of people who take carrying seriously.
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"a false sense of security"
You have allready lost the fight. You need to get a better mindset, you can kill your attacker before he kills you.
When my Texas CHL arrived in 1998 (2 renewals since then) within 15 min of fishing it out of the envelope I was putting my 1911 (I only owned 2 handguns then) into an IWB holster, tossing a shirt over it and going out the door. It was a legitimate trip - had to go grocery shopping.
But damn! I felt like everybody was eyeing me when in truth nobody even gave me a second glance. After that day, putting a gun in a pocket or an IWB rig is second nature, like putting on my shoes before I go out the door.
I still have that 1911 - I'd shoot and carry it more if the .45 ammo was in better supply. Nowadays a 642 usually goes in my pocket in summer - and in winter (if you want to call it that in SE Texas) its my G19.
I dare say that CCW work has gotton easier in the 10+ yrs I have been carrying simply because of the proliferation of junk people hang on their belts. People see a bulge appear/disappear under a shirt as you move around and dismiss it as a blackberry/cell/iPod etc. My shirts are extra baggy as I intend that they don't see the bulge in the first place.
So, I don't think your numbers are too out of whack. Carrying regularly, or even always while legal like many of us here do, isn't for everyone. I think just learning the state CWP and deadly force laws "for real" in a CWP class changes some poeple's minds. Not that they oppose carry, but because the reality and responsibility turns out to be "heavier" than they thought it would be when they signed up for the class. It's one thing to imagine yourself blasting away at terrorists and robbers, it's quite another when you learn about all the things you're responsible for and can go to jail for. I do what I've heard of other instructors doing- I tell the students in the class that I'm going to try to scare them into NOT using their CWP, and they should only use it if they can get comfortable with some of the legal aspects that the average non-shooter doesn't know or think about.
That was me a few years ago, actually. I got my permit after 9/11 and didn't use it as a CWP for several years. (I always had a pistol in my car, but in FL you don't need a permit for that anyway). It took me a couple of years to "get it" and evolve my mindset and habits into what they are now. I don't see why most people wouldn't do similarly.
That's often the case. But these people are also part of the RKBA fight just as much as anyone else, so I try not to think poorly of them.
We each make our choices, in our own way. As long as they're a fellow gunnie, it's all good to me.
wasn't, and they give it no more thought than they would to whether I have my wallet and car keys.
I carry to church every Sunday, shopping, vacations, I've tucked a pea-shooter into swim trunks to go to the Municipal pool. My family's safety is not about to be compromised because some idgit decides to whig out and I left my piece in a drawer at home.
That a boy!
I carry selectively. I'm from a state where open cary is the rule, and now live in a state where concealed carry is the rule. I got my permit, and carry whenever I am in a location that is prone to violence.
In the class itself many of them tell me that they don't plan to carry or only plan to carry part of the time. A few want a permit so they can carry while hunting without having to worry about if their pistol gets accidentally covered with their coat. Others only want to carry when they go "someplace dangerous." (I try to correct that notion as best can...)
Some students want the permit because of the other benefits it offers. If you have a Michigan CPL it makes buying a handgun in Michigan easier. It also adds some additional legal protection when you are just transporting a handgun, even if it's not actually on your person. Those are all valid reasons.
For the students who get the permit because they have at least some interest in carrying a defensive handgun there are still obstacles to every-day carry. Michigan law severely restricts where we can carry handguns and many students work at one of the locations where carry is prohibited by law, not just by company policy. Other students work at places where policy restricts carry and don't carry for fear of losing their job.
And, for many people, concealed carry becomes a novelty that quickly wears off. Carrying a gun all the time is a bit of a pain in the *** and some people start carrying and give it up when they find it uncomfotable or inconvenient.
I do know that I have students who make the commitment to carry and who carry every day, or close to it, and at least try to be armed at all times where the law (and sometimes their employer) allows. I'd say that's about 1/3 to 1/2 of my students and I can't be any more precise then that.
I paid good money for the class, then the permit. It would be a waste of money not to.
Besides, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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