simulatedjim
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Bought my first pistol other than a 1911. How many rounds do you fire before you conclude this pistol is not for me?
How many rounds do you fire to make a decision?
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Tigerseye
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It sounds like you're very familiar with 1911 guns and are trying something new. I'd suggest that you stay with it for 500 rounds or so before deciding to sell or trade it. The only thing I can think of that would cause me to trade it immediately would be some ergonomic problem, like hammer bite or inability to reach the safety or mag release.
Tigerseye
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With a Glock? One.
Of course I ended-up putting way more than that down range. I don't mean this to be a Glock-bash, I just immediately knew it was wrong for me. I felt the same way about a Luger a friend wanted to sell to me. Fine guns both, just not for me.
Of course I ended-up putting way more than that down range. I don't mean this to be a Glock-bash, I just immediately knew it was wrong for me. I felt the same way about a Luger a friend wanted to sell to me. Fine guns both, just not for me.
Skywarp
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The first range trip.
That's it, if i cant shoot with it or couldnt feel comfortable with it.
It's done
That's it, if i cant shoot with it or couldnt feel comfortable with it.
It's done
simulatedjim
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Well its not a Glock but a HK P2000SK. Same slide lenght as my Officers model. But I could in no way call what I shot a "group". Funny, I can shoot fine with a Glock.
Snarlingiron
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Sounds like you answered your own question.
Non HK shooters tend to shoot low & to the left with HKs esp. the USP line.
Which variant do you have? LEM or DA/SA? The LEM trigger is nice but a bit spongy.
HK triggers are in no way close to a nice 1911 trigger so if that's what you're used to then the HK isn't gonna get any better.
I would stick with it for a while and approach it like your first pistol and invest a bit of time into it.
The P2000s are great service pistols. Very reliable and rugged. I think you'll find that you'll want to keep it after a few more trips to the range
Which variant do you have? LEM or DA/SA? The LEM trigger is nice but a bit spongy.
HK triggers are in no way close to a nice 1911 trigger so if that's what you're used to then the HK isn't gonna get any better.
I would stick with it for a while and approach it like your first pistol and invest a bit of time into it.
The P2000s are great service pistols. Very reliable and rugged. I think you'll find that you'll want to keep it after a few more trips to the range
joesolo
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I bought a new pistol recently (4-5weeks ago) and shot it pretty bad the first range session. Not really sure why but was definitely scratching my head on the way home. Next three times out I was about as clean with it as I am with the pistols I have had a while. Guess it took a couple of range sessions and familiarizing myself with it get in the groove. Glad I kept it as I have had this one on my side ever since.
ZeSpectre
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I never decide until at least three range sessions (on different days). I can think of at least one rifle I tried and had a terrible time with on the first session. A week later I tried again and had a great time. Same with third session (had a great time). I think that first day was just a bad day for me overall. Had I rushed to judgement I would have missed out on a fine gun.
simulatedjim
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It has the LEM trigger and yes generally low and left but only a little left and a whole lot low
Savage.250
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I'd recommend giving it time. I had the a similar problem but with the 1911. Bought a new Kimber Series I a few years ago. I HATED it at first. My problem was I was used to smaller sights like on the old Winchester 62. Even the other handguns I was used to didn't have that much day light on either side of the front sight. Those sights (1911) were the biggest blockiest sights I had ever seen. After about 3 sessions I finally got used to them. Now, it's probably my favorite handgun to shoot.
Same with the XD. The trigger on that was hard to get used to after shooting the Kimber. Took several rounds in the XD before I got used to it.
Hang in there. Some guns will grow on a person and some you just seem to fight. If you have put a couple few hundred rounds through it and are still fighting, let her go.
Same with the XD. The trigger on that was hard to get used to after shooting the Kimber. Took several rounds in the XD before I got used to it.
Hang in there. Some guns will grow on a person and some you just seem to fight. If you have put a couple few hundred rounds through it and are still fighting, let her go.
Generally, after about 12,000 rds, I finally come to a decision.
Before that, I regularly threaten them with going back to the orphanage. Usually, they submit and find the inky part of the paper again. As long as that balance of humility is maintained, we exist in dynamic balance.
I have previously threatened with exile: KT P-3AT, Colt Defender, SA XD-9/SC. All have come to see my point of view well before the aforementioned limit, and so have been invited to stay. For now ...
Before that, I regularly threaten them with going back to the orphanage. Usually, they submit and find the inky part of the paper again. As long as that balance of humility is maintained, we exist in dynamic balance.
I have previously threatened with exile: KT P-3AT, Colt Defender, SA XD-9/SC. All have come to see my point of view well before the aforementioned limit, and so have been invited to stay. For now ...
kungfuhippie
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takes getting use to, I second the 500 rds trial period. A collegue got a CZ-75 and I've shot it twice on lunch hour trips to the range. First time I swore I'd never buy one, I was shooting a sillouette at 7 yards and was barely keeping the rounds on the body. With my star an 25rds. I'll put one big hole (more or less) in the 10 ring. Anyway yesterday I shot it and was shooting it as well as my star B. I am now thinking hard about getting one instead of a BHP in January, I've gotten over the beretta kick. I had to wait getting a handgun until I was sure I wouldn't get a beretta. (the one I shot fit well, but shot lousy, might be cause it's a rental)
gc70
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Certainly take a gun to the range more than once before deciding to get rid of it - sometimes I have a bad day with my favorite gun. If a gun was shooting all over the place, it might not survive the second trip to the range. If a gun is shooting/grouping consistently, but not to point of aim, it is probably a matter of me getting used to it or maybe a matter of sight adjustment.
Moving from a heavy 1911 with a crisp single-action trigger to a light polymer gun with a mushy, heavy trigger is particularly challenging. When I first started shooting polymer guns, I always shot low. It took a while for me to learn to control a heavy double-action trigger and not jerk the barrel downward during the trigger stroke.
Moving from a heavy 1911 with a crisp single-action trigger to a light polymer gun with a mushy, heavy trigger is particularly challenging. When I first started shooting polymer guns, I always shot low. It took a while for me to learn to control a heavy double-action trigger and not jerk the barrel downward during the trigger stroke.
CountGlockula
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50 rounds.
hagar
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None in my case. I have so many friends that raved about their 1911's, but when it came time to shoot them, they malfunctioned like crazy, could not hit the broadside of a barn with them, and I saw 45 bullets stuck in 2X4 target frames that a 9mm would just wizz through, that I never had the desire to own one.
I can normally tell before I get it to the range, the range just confirms my suspicions. I didn't even have to shoot a Glock to know they were not for me. I did end up purchasing several Glocks over the years and they never seem to make it to the range with me since there are so many better choices in the safe.
I can normally tell in the first range session if things are "right" with the gun.
I can normally tell in the first range session if things are "right" with the gun.
Beatnik
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I shot a PPK/S a couple weeks ago. I'd always liked the looks, and figured it would make a decent CCW.
Four rounds, hated it. Ended up massaging the web between my thumb and index finger.
I just bought a Steyr M9 yesterday. Without particularly trying, I put 40 rounds in the black at 10 yards, and then emptied 10 rounds all inside a bottle target in about 4 seconds. That one's a keeper, even if it is only SA.
Then there's the P38. It needs gunsmith work, it's got more muzzle flip than I think it should, but I'm hanging on to it. I still like shooting it.
Personally, I'm going to say use my rule: get another gun, and then watch yourself. If you never shoot this one, then dump it.
Four rounds, hated it. Ended up massaging the web between my thumb and index finger.
I just bought a Steyr M9 yesterday. Without particularly trying, I put 40 rounds in the black at 10 yards, and then emptied 10 rounds all inside a bottle target in about 4 seconds. That one's a keeper, even if it is only SA.
Then there's the P38. It needs gunsmith work, it's got more muzzle flip than I think it should, but I'm hanging on to it. I still like shooting it.
Personally, I'm going to say use my rule: get another gun, and then watch yourself. If you never shoot this one, then dump it.
chris in va
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2-3 range trips usually. If it's not 'fun', I'm not interested. The more entertaining something is, the more I want to shoot it, and the better I get with it.
The CZ 40p was NOT fun to shoot for me. 3 range trips and I was done.
I rented some sort of 1911 carry version (short barrel) and no way-no how was I buying one of those. Kicked like a
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Shot badly with a highly recommended XD9 that I bought, found out the grip was too small for my hands. I couldn't even reliably disengage the grip safety without squeezing the hell out of it. I'm sure the XD45 is much better.
The CZ 40p was NOT fun to shoot for me. 3 range trips and I was done.
I rented some sort of 1911 carry version (short barrel) and no way-no how was I buying one of those. Kicked like a
.Shot badly with a highly recommended XD9 that I bought, found out the grip was too small for my hands. I couldn't even reliably disengage the grip safety without squeezing the hell out of it. I'm sure the XD45 is much better.
Clipper
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It took one round to decide I wanted nothing to do with the Thompson-Center contender, one mag to pass on the 659 S&W, couple hundred to dump the Kimber Ultra Carry. One mag to fall in love with the Taurus PT-145, one handling at the counter to make the KT P3AT mine, and I ordered my MKII 10" bull SS without caring how it would feel, since that kind of accuracy would be worth making allowances for.
BTW, the Ruger was fine, but Hogue grips made it perfect...
BTW, the Ruger was fine, but Hogue grips made it perfect...
salvador31c
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put some more rounds thru it, it can only get better right? i like to put 600-800 rounds thru a gun before making a decision about it, besides thats a nice gun if it turns out you dont like it you shouldnt take a loss on it. good luck
i like to put 600-800 rounds thru a gun before making a decision about it, besides thats a nice gun if it turns out you dont like it you shouldnt take a loss on it. good luckIt took about two shots to decide that I hated the KT. After that, it took about 50 rds to understand the thing (it's my only teeny-weeny gun ). Now, it has a permanent home --- but not on the range.
I'd tried a Colt Officer, a Kimber and a SA micro, so I knew a little what the Defender would be like, but lighter. I expected a challenge, but it became a labor of love. It sits upon my hip at this minute. I haven't had any problems with shooting it --- but I've had problems with it shooting. I knew this from early on. But something perverse made me obsess (read, "risk fingers, hands, and cash") until I got it ironed out.
So --- how many rounds? I have no idea. Sometimes, as practical as the decision needs to be, the decision process isn't that easy.
on the other hand, I have a perfectly good, wonderfully accurate, absolutely dependable XD-9/SC that could take a hike tomorrow, and I wouldn't miss it that hugely.
Go figure.
). Now, it has a permanent home --- but not on the range.I'd tried a Colt Officer, a Kimber and a SA micro, so I knew a little what the Defender would be like, but lighter. I expected a challenge, but it became a labor of love. It sits upon my hip at this minute. I haven't had any problems with shooting it --- but I've had problems with it shooting. I knew this from early on. But something perverse made me obsess (read, "risk fingers, hands, and cash") until I got it ironed out.
So --- how many rounds? I have no idea. Sometimes, as practical as the decision needs to be, the decision process isn't that easy.
on the other hand, I have a perfectly good, wonderfully accurate, absolutely dependable XD-9/SC that could take a hike tomorrow, and I wouldn't miss it that hugely.
Go figure.
10-Ring
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The 1911 IMO is an acquired taste. It took me several rounds before I realized hosw much I like'em.
MCgunner
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I've yet to find the handgun I couldn't like for SOME reason or another or that I couldn't shoot relatively well with practice, including 1911s. For me to not like the gun, it's gotta be a true POS, inaccurate or won't run without problems or something.
You were looking at a P08 for CARRY or actual USE?????
The P08 is a beautifully made gun. It is a machinist's work of art. It makes a 1911 look clumsy and stamped. It is, however, a gun to be owned and cherished for what it is, not something you actually would USE even if it fires 100 percent and is accurate. It's a work of gunmaking art and history, not a CCW carry gun.
I don't like Glocks for carry, either, for one reason, "safe action". Other than that, they're fine shootin' guns, good firearms. I could carry one safed out with an 8 lb trigger spring and that plastic insert that goes behind the trigger, but there are better guns for me out there.
I don't care much for 1911s because I had two that refused to fire anything I'd wanna carry in 'em. I'd want something much smaller and lighter for carry, anyway, so I don't have one anymore. But, that's just me. JMB ain't running out of worshippers anytime soon. I'm sure some of the higher dollar ones are fine shooting weapons. I ain't got the price of admission even if I wanted one, and I don't, nor do I wish to buy an affordable one again.
You were looking at a P08 for CARRY or actual USE?????
The P08 is a beautifully made gun. It is a machinist's work of art. It makes a 1911 look clumsy and stamped. It is, however, a gun to be owned and cherished for what it is, not something you actually would USE even if it fires 100 percent and is accurate. It's a work of gunmaking art and history, not a CCW carry gun.I don't like Glocks for carry, either, for one reason, "safe action". Other than that, they're fine shootin' guns, good firearms. I could carry one safed out with an 8 lb trigger spring and that plastic insert that goes behind the trigger, but there are better guns for me out there.
I don't care much for 1911s because I had two that refused to fire anything I'd wanna carry in 'em. I'd want something much smaller and lighter for carry, anyway, so I don't have one anymore. But, that's just me. JMB ain't running out of worshippers anytime soon. I'm sure some of the higher dollar ones are fine shooting weapons. I ain't got the price of admission even if I wanted one, and I don't, nor do I wish to buy an affordable one again.
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