How marijuana gets into the U.S….

[Minnesota Shooter]

hmm, that makes sense...

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The person that I got the info from was a large grower about 15 years ago, a friend of mine's mom. I suppose she probably didnt keep up with the times after she retired.

 

[Schuey2002]

>>"Most of the Really quality buds come from the west coast, where they are grown in hydroponic mini farms."<<

The next door neighbor (at my former pad) was growing it in his living room..

.. for ALL to see!!

I mean, there it was.. one giant plant growing smack dab in the middle of his front window!! It had to be 7ft. tall, or more. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't put ornaments on it during the holidays.

 

[publius]

Did you report that to the authorities, Schuey? Because if you did not, certain drug warriors think YOU are a criminal.

Oddly enough, they think your crime is worse if there is a gun anywhere nearby.

Oh, and they believe your crime affects interstate commerce.

 

[Schuey2002]

No. What's the point? Every other person on that end of the county was growing the stuff. Maybe I should have turned them in, too?

Those Senators in that link can kiss my !!! I ain't seen nuthin'! I don't know nuthin'!

Some time back a guy was busted for growing it here in town. No, not on the outer edges of town as one might think. It was in DOWNTOWN Coos Bay! He had an older warehouse down by the railroad tracks (which was just about 2 blocks from my old job) packed full of plants.. He had been growing the stuff for quite awhile before the police caught "wind" of the operation.

 

[neoncowboy]

I am not a moderator. Knock yourselves out, but I can express an opinion that THR has turned in questionable direction that I find increasingly alienating to an older phart.

I hear you RealGun, and somewhat understand...but I think you might want to take a closer look. A lot of the issues we discuss here that stem from drug/marijuana topics aren't really about drugs/marijuana, but are about freedom (this thread's starting post excepted).

I too used marijuana when I was a kid, outgrew it, have nothing to do with it whatsoever, believe it's a destructive influence in the lives of Americans who use it, don't support it's being an acceptable societal 'norm'...etc. However...the government (especially the Federal government) banning it looks to me like a blatant violation of our nation's founding principles and the literal words of the constitution. Notice that the only grounds the Supreme Court has to support a federal criminalization of pot rests on the dubious precedent of 'the commerce clause'.

That kind of assault on civil liberties is most relevant to gun folks or anyone else who values freedom.

Using may be a private decision but it is still a vice, hardly essential, and it is against the law. Change the law perhaps...ignore the law...not cool.

I know there are a lot of folks here who selectively obey certain overly restrictive, unconstitutional gun laws. Is it breaking the law to carry in church for instance? Yup. Do people do it anyway (in those states where it's illegal)? Yup. Do I think that's wrong? Not one single bit.

The farther our nation's lawmakers and (more alarmingly) courts stray from what is right in their creation or interpretation of the law, the more mainstream, morally upright americans are going to have to step out of line with the law just to stay on the high road.

 

[thorn726]

>>>>"Most of the Really quality buds come from the west coast, where they are grown in hydroponic mini farms."<<

The next door neighbor (at my former pad) was growing it in his living room..

.. for ALL to see!! <

that's nothing, there is a FIeld on the deck of a friends house in the hills- totally visible, nobody cares. it's legal here.

someday everyone will realize how much worse alcohol is, and give up on this draconian outlawing of weed.

 

[LiquidTension]

For those of you that wish for this thread to be more about guns:

Pot is an illegal drug, and therefore the price is much higher than if it were legal. To protect investment in something that's already illegal, growers often safeguard their product with weapons. Why not, they're already looking at a looong sentence if they get busted for a large quantity. Average users enjoy smoking but don't want to incur the risk of growing - it's easy to flush your stash when popo comes to the door, not so easy to flush your several 7ft plants. Hence, they rely on the people mentioned above.

Decriminalization of the drug allows people to not rely on large criminal organizations to get a buzz. You know, the guys with guns. Instead, they have a few plants (planted several weeks apart so you always have fresh buds, of course) that supply them with what they want. Oh, and since the drug would be legal, the profit margin would be much lower - therefore breaking the back of the cartels that protect their supply (with guns).

For those of you that think potheads are too lazy to grow pot....you've obviously never watched these people construct bongs or other smoking devices. There's some genius in a few of the inventions I've seen. How 'bout a knife sharpener and a piece of a ballpoint pen. Straight up MacGyver skillz.

Most of the stuff that's imported is low-grade. Most of the potent stuff is grown domestically, and often pretty close to where it's consumed. The low-grade (shwag) is the brick weed - the stuff with seeds and stems the size of tree branches. The good stuff (dank, KB, etc.) is usually still in bud form and isn't compressed. Since it's not compressed it's more difficult to transport large quantities so it doesn't travel as far. Yeah there are exceptions but this is generally the case.

Does pot make you stupid? Sure it does. Kinda odd that the .gov likes us to be ignorant but doesn't want us to smoke pot eh?

 

[thorn726]

worse than the guns for protection- especially in Cali where most of the growers are ultra blissed out hippy wackos- criminals discover a grower, then get the bright idea to find some guns and hold up the growers.

so then some felon has extra reason to get and use a gun, especially since the person he robs is very unlikely to report him.
(although the # of these cases where dealers call the cops on themselves over just that is a bit disturbing!)

 

[CAS700850]

It's funny, with all of the talk we have about SCOTUS and the Federal Courts expanding the commerce clause at will, there was a recent criminal case in Columbus, Ohio, where an individual was prosecuted in Federal Court for what amounts to illegal possession of ammunition, having previously been convicted of a Federal Felony offense.

The reason I found this amusing was that he was found in possession of a loaded handgun, and he was only charged with possession of the ammunition. So, I called a buddy that works as a U.S. Marshall to ask why. The reason was that the handgun was a Hi Point, made in Ohio, and was not involved in interstate commerce when the guy obtained it. the ammunition, however, was made out of state, and could be prosecuted.

And people wonder why lawyers take such abuse...

 

[TheDutchman]

Cheech and Chong grow it in there back yards, that where is comes from.

 

[mete]

They just found 23,000 marajuana plants, $117 million worth, in Vacaville CA.

 

[BeLikeTrey]

Didn't read through the rest

but the growing outdoors conversation and infared etc brought to mind the cheech and chong movie with the tarp painted like a pool and then the rip in the tarp and Cheech putting his torso through and pretending to swim LOL

 

[publius]

there was a recent criminal case in Columbus, Ohio, where an individual was prosecuted in Federal Court for what amounts to illegal possession of ammunition, having previously been convicted of a Federal Felony offense.

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he was found in possession of a loaded handgun, and he was only charged with possession of the ammunition. So, I called a buddy that works as a U.S. Marshall to ask why. The reason was that the handgun was a Hi Point, made in Ohio, and was not involved in interstate commerce when the guy obtained it. the ammunition, however, was made out of state, and could be prosecuted.

Could not have been all that recent. I would think that in light of the recent Raich & Stewart decisions, a Hi Point sold in Ohio would definitely be covered under the commerce clause, despite not yet having travelled in assembled form in interstate commerce. The Hi-Point was much closer to the stream of commerce than Raich's cannabis plants (grown for personal consumption) or Stewart's machine guns (designed and built for himself, no evidence that he sold any).

Yep, those federal powers are "few and defined" all right.*
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* Definition: pretty much anything.

 

[publius]

They just found 23,000 marajuana plants, $117 million worth, in Vacaville CA.

Wow. That's over 5 grand per plant.

Hmmm...I've got over 100 lychee trees, probably 200 orchids. If I could just get those things prohibited, they could be worth $1.5 million!

You know, they really should be prohibited. I mean, there's no such thing as a casual orchid owner. The darn things are seriously habit forming, if not downright addictive. You buy one, or maybe someone gives it to you, and before you know it, you're detouring out to the garden section at Home Depot and coming out with a new one.

And don't get me started on the lychees. Seriously addictive. You try one. It's different. You kind of like it. You try another. Hmmm. Goood. One more and you'll wind up like me: sitting down with a bunch in each hand, munching away until your hands and face are covered in goo and the lawn around you looks like a weird, localized red and white snowstorm has just struck around you. You're busy with manure and wood chips, learning to do airlayers instead of spending time with loved ones or doing something useful. What a waste!

And what do you think is going to happen in a couple of months, when there are no more lychees for the year on most trees. You think fruit junkies won't be doing some trespassing to get a fix? We're all armed out here, and tempers may flare. I say if we're going to wind up paying the medical bills, we have a right, nay a duty, to prohibit these dangerous fruits and flowers. NOW! (I really need a new boat, so the sooner we get on this, the better!)