How much would you pay for a 1911?

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Rellascout, I see you're stirring trouble as usual wherever you go. Of course I'm the troll over here at THR as I don't frequent here much. Spending most of my time at 1911forum/DW

As a member of the COTEP I've become a Dan Wesson fan and sold most of my Sig's. All except the 229 .357sig which shall stay out of necessity.

As for what to pay for 1911's. I'm new to the 1911's and don't pretend to be an expert as you seem to be, but I've seen enough reviews and reader complaints to see that price is somewhat indicative of what you get. I would never buy some brands that are even over $1000. Para being among them. I've just seen too many incidents that lead me to question their quality. I'd like to own a Kimber, but there too is a product that I've had too many say they've got more that their fair share of problems. I'd never own a S&W, but more for political reasons of them as a company. Colt is not what they used to be either.

As for MIM parts. While I wouldn't buy a gun with them in them. Just a confidence reason I guess. But there are those who say, Dave Severns being one, that the current process of making the MIM parts is much better and that the chance of failure is about the same as a cast or forged part now. Me I'll take the forged part though. I like the idea of a quality made part.

Anyways. I thought I'd share pics of my two current Dan Wessons. a CBOB in .45 and a Razorback in 10mm (pre-cz '04)

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I love when you say I am causing trouble but then go on to agree with 99% of what I have stated. :D

Why did you sell your Sigs? I thought you were a big Sig fan?
 
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Oh I never said I didn't agree with you, but you sure have a way of pissing people off when they don't agree with you! ;)

I do agree that the DW is the best kept secret (if it is a secret any longer) in the 1911 world. It most certainly the best value in 1911's. And I do think they're doing the right thing on their changes for 2010. I plan to buy a V-BOB in Duty Treatment when they're available. I'm already in line with several people just to be sure.
 
I am in the other camp on DW. I think that in the middle of recession they are pushing the price point too high.

I do understand that they have limited production. They can only produce about 2500 pieces a year and that by moving the price point about $300 north and bringing more of the production in house they can make more money per gun which is after all their reason of existence.

I think they will move most of those pistols. I also agree with getting rid of the 10mm. The 9mm I think is a mistake. IMHO this is a huge untapped market.

I think I piss people off because I do not pull punches. I speak with conviction and I do not hide the truth. This is why I am no longer on the Sig Forum. I told Para if he wanted to allow only half the truth to be posted on his site I had no need for it. I have not been back since. Mike Packwood, Para, censors that site all the time. He is into group speak especially when it comes to his pet vendors.

I think the last time we corresponded you were talking up Sig. I guess you moved on to Dan Wesson. Better choice IMHO. :)
 
And Buell, I don't think it's ridiculous. But I DO think that on 1911s, the law of diminishing returns kicks in after about $700.

I will tell anyone buy whatever you want. Shoot whatever you want. I tent to criticize people who spend too little on a gun, rationalize that junk guns in tiny calibers are 'good enough' for anything. These days, you can spend less than $600, but it limits your options a bit.
 
Rellascout, you're right about Mike and the Sigforum. Way too much censoring and a real ******* (Para) that run the show. Although I think the last heated discussion you had over there about TGS and the 229's he had was a bit harsh.

But enough of that. It's the past and it's behind us. On the new DW path... I think they're filling a void that has been vacant for a long time and with only a 3500 gun per year production they're going after the big boy customs like Baer, Brown, & Wilson. If their finish is as good as the Ed Browns and as accurate as Wilson's they'll be onto something. Forget the recession. It's not a factor for this game and market they're in. For the folks who can plunk down $900 to $1,200 another $300 to $400 isn't going to scare them away. They will sell everyone of their 2010 production and have people looking for more and have to wait until 2011. That's my prediction. Let's wait and see what happens. This is of course all guessing until we see the real thing at shot in LV.
 
I understand where they were going but I am biased. I bought my CBOB for $700. I don't care how nice the new ones are it is never going to be that type of value.

The CBOB was 8o% to 85% of the Cobra Carry and it cost me about 1/3 of what the Brown would have cost me.

Even if the new Valor line is everything they promised it is still only $300 to $400 from a Les Baer or Wilson if you know where to shop. I do not doubt that they will sell them I just think people are not going to be getting the same value they once did.

I personally stopped looking to get a DW when they hit the $1000 mark. Again I paid about $1300 for my TRS so for me paying $1000 for a CBOB would not get me value for my money but that said I have the luxury of that opinion because I already own one. :)
 
See, there you go again! You aren't absolute in your opinion! To say that "I don't care how nice the new ones are it is never going to be that type of value." is just plain nonsense! Just because you picked up a older DW for your $700 doesn't mean that the newer ones aren't worth the $1,000 or $1,500! Dan Wesson has been making very sharp improvements in their quality and fit every year and I've got a pre-cz and a new '09 CBOB and I can tell you that the CBOB is a better built 1911. I've also shot a new '09 RZ-10 and again it IS a better pistol that is priced right. Just because you have this pre-consonseived notion that a Baer is just better because it's a Baer or the same with the Brown.

In the future you need to understand this. You don't speak the "truth" as you stated. You speak "your" opinion! Nothing more. I will say the same for me. I have an "opinion" and it's mine. But the way you state things is of absolutes is just not right and you don't make any friends here or on Sig Forum or especially at 1911forum/DW. Don't forget you were banned at Sig Forum for this and you will probably be banned elsewhere if you don't learn to respect others and be a little more humble.
 
Hey Sigsteve I won't tell you how to post so how about you don't tell me how to?

I have confidence in my opinions. I state them in a direct manner. You seem to take offense to that. I suggest you put me on ignore if it bothers you that much.

What I have stated is IMHO fact. There is no way that the new Valor with a price tag of $1500 street price of say $1300 is going to match the value offered by the CBOB of old. They are closing the gap in price between them and the competition. They are getting very close to the point of diminishing returns.

Its a simple $$$ for $$$ analysis. YMMV.

PS. As for the Sig Forum I left on my own. The first time Para Censored me I told him to delete my account. For some reason he did not. When I noticed it was still active I posted. He censored me again and I left. End of story.

Also for those of you who do not know COTEP is a Dan Wesson fan group on 1911forum.com headed by the marketing director of Dan Wesson.
 
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Spending most of my time at 1911forum/DW
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Too many kool-aide drinkers.

I'd never own a S&W, but more for political reasons of them as a company.
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Was warned on the 1911 forum for making the same statement. Was later banned for using the Acronym "WTH." Seems to be an easily offended group.
 
Too many kool-aide drinkers huh? I just think I'll go back over there and stay. I like their flavor of kool-aide better anyways.

As for being warned on the S&W for that statement... You must have been on the S&W forum then. I never go there. BTW, if you were banned for an Acronym of WTH, then you must have done something else to piss them off and that was just a technicality than the real reason.

Bye, bye.

Rella, stay boy stay!
 
As for being warned on the S&W for that statement... You must have been on the S&W forum then. I never go there. BTW, if you were banned for an Acronym of WTH, then you must have done something else to piss them off and that was just a technicality than the real reason.
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Never been in the S&W forum. I was warned for making a "political" statement. The *** incident was responding to a post where someone asked what DB meant and complained about acronyms. I answered that acronyms were a military "way of life" and listed several including WTH, whick I explained meant "what the heck." Mod said I was circumventing the foul language rule. I suspect he didn't like my opinion of Kimber. I got over it.

Too many kool-aide drinkers huh? I just think I'll go back over there and stay. I like their flavor of kool-aide better anyways.
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<David Spader> Buh, bye.
 
I've not even read NFL's reply, but I'm sure it's scathing after I posted my last reply. I want to publicly apologize to Rellascout and everyone else that I offended today. I've sent a PM to Rellascout and apologized to him, but wanted to say this on the forum too. I just had surgery the other day and I'm on the painkillers and as some of you may know it effects ones judgement. I've been an ass to many here today and elsewhere and I regret having said what I said.

This is a great forum and while I don't frequent THR much I respect the immense knowledge that exist here.

Thank you for listening... Regards,

Steve
 
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