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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by CB900F, Feb 9, 2015.

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  1. shuvelrider

    shuvelrider Member

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    I'll add my Winnie Mod 65 in .218 Bee, and raise you a Winnie Mod 43 in the same caliber for modern rarity's. I do like the slim clean lines of the Mod 43, of course they are pre-WWII.
     
  2. GAMEOVER44

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    I had a 2001 Model 70 chambered in 300 WSM. I traded it for a super customized Ruger G.S.R. 308 converted to 358 Win with match grade Shillen barrel plus all the bells and whistles.
     
  3. H&Hhunter

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    Don't get me wrong here. While the Weatherby chambered M-70s are hard to find. They aren't worth anymore than any other M-70 in like condition and time frame. They simply do not command any more money than the same M-70 in a standard caliber.
     
  4. rromeo

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    Ruger #1 7mm-08.
     
  5. natman

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    Rare guns? I have a Webley 38 that's One of Two Hundred and Fifty, the last 250 Webley revolvers ever made. Came in a nice presentation box.

    I also have a single shot bolt action BSA Sportsman. Nothing too rare about that except that it's a factory smoothbore marked for 22 SHOT. I've never seen or heard of another.

    I got it at a gunshow 20 years ago for the princely sum of $70. It's a good illustration of the difference between rarity and collector value. A rare gun is always interesting but it only has collector value if somebody cares.

    If my BSA smoothbore were a Winchester 61 it would be worth four figures.
     
  6. CB900F

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    Fella's;

    And Natman's post kinda is where our bull session discussion went. He paid $70.00, and as pure supposition, let's say he now thinks it's worth $300.00, OK? If you walked up and showed him the money, you could have the gun.

    But, Nat goes on "Garden Guns dot com" (I have no idea if such a site exists) and finds out that in Outer Gavoombaland the nobles use garden guns to shoot giant bees for sport. There he finds out he could get substantially more money than a mere three C's for it. So, will he still sell it to you, or will he deal with trying to sell it out of country?

    We now have the definition of "dilemma". It may now be the Information Age, but that has it's own inherent problems.

    900F
     
  7. SwampWolf

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    When considering rifles chambered for "rare" cartridges (at least in America), the Ruger Model 77 (MK II) produced in limited production for the 7x64 Brenneke comes to mind (Europe's .280 Remington).
     
  8. utvolsfan77

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    How about any model chambered in .22 CHeetah? That was a wildcat created by Jim Carmichael, Outdoor Life Shooting Editor, and a friend in the 1960s (I think)?
     
  9. ElToro

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    I sold a red pad, tang safety ruger 77 in 358 over 5 years ago on a local gun board. I still get guys occasionally PM'ing me if it's atill available. Maybe I sold it too cheap.

    I was at a gun show maybe 15 years ago and a guy had a table full of pre64 win 70. Most were plain 30-06 and 270. Some other interesting calibers for some more money. Behind the table and not available to be touched and the tag said "price on request" was a genuine, 4 digit serial number 9mm Mauser.

    If you ever gettye chance. Visit the Cody firearms museum in cody Wy. Gallery after gallery of rare and interesting handguns and rifles. I imagine the NRA museum is similarly awesome.
     
  10. Shadow 7D

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    One of 500 known examples,
    Milsup, the Rasheed-only 10K ever made it to the US and not many more made

    Or training rifles that were fielded in the thousands when the battle rifles was fielded in the millions?
     
  11. jim in Anchorage

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    Not the M43. I have a first year production gun in .218. Barrel dated 1947.

    Not really post war, but in addition to the mentioned 9MM in the M70 a 7.65 would be worth a fortune.
     
  12. dakota1911

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    I would vote for some of the Ruger No. 1 single shot rifles. Although these are still being made at Ruger, the distribution and decisions on what is being made is now done at Lipsey, at least in 2015. The Ruger No. 1 International in 30-06 next to the Ruger SR-762 below is one of the more common ones but in the past some variants/calibers were made in very small numbers.

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  13. Rottweiler

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    I have a Browning 65 in .218 Bee too. Dad gave it to me as a "welcome home" gift when I came home from the Air Force in 1989, along with a box of 50 rounds. Still have yet to load or fire it, gonna keep it that way.
     
  14. shuvelrider

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    I stand corrected "Jim in Anchorage", was thinking of the cartridge itself being introduced prior to WW2.
     
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    To me, in the context of this thread, 'rare' would mean a factory produced gun available to the public and that "I've never actually seen one", or "I've only seen one, ever".

    My list includes (but is not limited to)

    Savage Model 170 pump in 35 Remington (1, and that just last year)

    Winchester Model 64 'Alaska Carbine' in 458 (1)

    Ruger Hawkeye pistol in 256 Magnum (1)

    Marlin LeverMatic in 256 Mag or 30 Carbine (0)

    Browning BLR Lightweight in 223 (0)

    I'm sure there are more, but those are just off the top of my head.
     
  16. redneck2

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    I have a Browning Creedmoor BPCR in .45-90. Globe front sight, ladder tang rear sight. Made for shooting 1,000 yards

    IIRC, there were 328 made. A guy at the local shop ordered it special, then backed out. Got a great deal.
     
  17. stiab

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    The gun shop in Kernersville, NC had both the LeverMatics you mentioned a couple years ago, along with some other tough Marlins. It was the first time I had seen either, but back then I owned the same gun in .22 Mag.

    Regretfully I found the 170 in .35 Rem at an auction in Gettysburg, PA a few years ago, and bought it. It looked brand new, as if it had never been in the woods, but malfunctioned with every movement of the action. Took it to my gunsmith and told him "You don't see many like this", to which he replied "There is a good reason for that".
     
  18. Sunray

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    "...enshrinement into the House Of Rare..." Prices on auction sites and retailers do not reflect that.
    "...Came in a nice presentation box..." Most likely put there by somebody like the Franklin Mint. Highly unlikely to be done by Webley.
    In any case, rarity is usually a local thing. Few 1903A3's in decent condition up here. Few No. 4 Mk I* Lee-Enfields Stateside.
     
  19. natman

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    Oh, really?

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    And if that's not enough, here's a certificate of authenticity signed by the president of Webley:

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    So all in all, while it may have been ordered by Navy Arms, it's definitely a special model made for the purpose by Webley.
     
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  20. Swampman

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    M1A with a happy switch?
    Three inch blued S&W M-24?
    HAK-7 Rifle?
    Howzabout something along the lines of the slick side, triangular handguard, 20" Colt AR-15 that I bought new in 1979 for $297.00?
     
  21. KeithNyst

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    How about a Savage Model 99-375

    The Savage Model 99-375 (not the 99A). It was only made in 1980 and there were not many made.
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  22. Hookeye

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    Don't see these often.
    Think about 550 made

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    ^ What is it?
     
  24. Sam1911

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    Oooooh! That's beautiful! My grandpop had one and it was the first 10/22 I ever shot. Those stocks were amazing. Really, so high above standard grade quality as to be hardly the same gun.
     
  25. I6turbo

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    How about a set of Model 70 Mannlichers in all calibers? That's probably pretty rare... :)

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