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How shallow am I?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by fedlaw, Oct 31, 2004.

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  1. fedlaw

    fedlaw Member

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    Of all the election issues that are important to me, namely, drinking, smoking, guns, motorcycles, fast cars and pretty women, only one is being addressed on both the local and national levels: Guns. Therefore, I am being forced to cast my vote on the basis of one issue. How shallow is that?
    Kerry is probably against the others as well, i.e., by allowing insurance companies to discriminate against so-called ultra-dangerous activities, etc. As for women, he certainly isn't shy about what qualities he thinks are important in a mate. (Hint: Size matters, if its her bank account.)
    Locally, Barak Obama, 50 points ahead in the senatorial race, is airing a radio commercial saying he is for "closing the gun show loop-hole and renewing the AWB."

    George Bush may not be in favor of using a "litmus test," but I am and it starts with the 2nd Amendment.
     
  2. The Grand Inquisitor

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    The second amendment is important, but for me, the first amendment trumps the second.

    First Amendment

    International humanitarian relief (i.e. going and actually helping people internationally, like protecting innocent people in Sudan- NOT going to Iraq and provoking war and invading a soverign nation).

    Social Justice.

    Second Amendment.,
     
  3. lee n. field

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    Why guns?

    http://www.lneilsmith.com/whyguns.html

     
  4. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    I don't think it is. As well as I've been able to discern over the decades, politicians who distrust commoners with firearms are highly likely to distrust us with the rest of our civil rights, whereas those who understand keeping and bearing arms is an intrinsic right are more likely to respect the rest of our rights.

    Sad to say, very few of them are worthy of our trust.
     
  5. Lone_Gunman

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    I think you are just very confused, but not necessarily shallow...

    George Bush wants to renew the AWB, or at least, he says he wants to. Given his record of never vetoing any bill sent to him by Congress, I suspect he would be happy to close the gunshow loophole for you also.


    If you are looking for a candidate who won't trample your rights, then you need to find yourself another election. Neither Bush or Kerry are going to be good for the Constitution. Both their records prove that.
     
  6. Mulliga

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    I'm a one-issue voter, too. :what:

    Don't forget his record of putting CCW on the books in Texas. Or sKerry's years and years and years of anti-gun votes. I voted against Kerry, BTW.

    The Second Amendment protects all the others.
     
  7. Lone_Gunman

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    That is true, but without a free press, it would be hard to tell when it was time to start protecting the others.
     
  8. tyme

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    This is true; a position on private gun carry and ownership certainly cuts through rhetoric and determines whether a candidate really believes in freedom where it counts most -- when your life is threatened.

    However, in this race it is clear that neither candidate believes in freedom. Using the RKBA as a litmus test is tolerable if you can only ask a candidate one question. In this case, we know the positions of both Bush and Kerry on just about every major issue.

    Using the RKBA as a litmus test in this race is foolish and blind. There is no need for shortcuts -- reducing everything to support of the RKBA -- when we know the candidates' other views.

    Voting based on the RKBA alone will not prevent revolution; it will only ensure that ordinary citizens would be able to fight. If you want a revolution, keep voting based only on the RKBA. If you want to avoid revolution, you have to consider other issues.
     
  9. Mulliga

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    One of the most eloquent explanations of the importance of the Second Amendment:

    http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-9.html

     
  10. fedlaw

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    Standing Wolf: Amen.

    Mulliga: Your citing of Judge Alex Kozinski's dissent from the denial of rehearing en banc in Silveira v. Lockyer, highlights the irony that the very people who read the Constitution so broadly as to find a right to privacy in it and who argue for the broadest possible interpretation of the 1stA, 4thA, 5thA and 6thA insist on their acrobatically narrow interpretation of the 2ndA. (And let us not forget the 10thA, even though the G apparently has.)
    The beauty of our system is that it has been able to withstand the less than ideal elected officials we have been blessed with over the course of our country's history. Be it ever so.
     
  11. twoblink

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    They want to take away your 1st amendment rights.

    The thing is, the 2nd protects the first, so they have to start with the bodyguard of the 1st, namely the 2nd.

    When your guns are all gone, what can you do about them taking away your 1st?

    NOTHING.

    Ask Ann Frank...
     
  12. 4570Rick

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    Without the Second Amendment, (the most important Amendment) there is no protection of our other rights. None!
    And last BUT NOT LEAST.
     
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