Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Nitrogen, Oct 2, 2006.
So how silly am I for even considering this? Am I better off using a 10/22 for self defense?
Take in mind I have never shot one. I have handled them and find them pretty handy and would not mind owning one for sure.
rifle. Honestly, I don't think you can call self defense shooting at someone 200 yards away...
Rifles arent just about range. 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 both hit really hard at close range, far harder than any pistol round. If youre using fragmenting/expanding rounds at close range, the tissue damage is orders of magnitude greater. Also, a rifle will go through soft armor, walls and most forms of cover, which makes it more useful inside a house. According to the marines urban combat penetration tests, 7.62x39 goes through concrete, brick and drywall with no problems.
Add in the fact that a rifle is easy to score hits with at ranges where pistols are mariginal at best, and there is no reason to defend your home with anything less.
much easier to accurately aim.
I wouldn't go wandering around down with one under my trenchcoat, but it'd make a dandy house gun. Also, pistol caliber rounds will punch through fewer obstacles than rifle rounds (though, as proven on the Box O' Truth, will still knock holes in plenty of plain drywall).
1. Shares the same ammo as the majority of my handguns.
2. Recoil is minimal, so my wife isn't afraid of it.
3. Any increase in fps is okay with me.
4. It is small and light so it is easy to store, carry, stash, etc.
5. It is accurate enough for small game if the need arose.
6. It looks scary as hell and in a SHTF scenario with the CX4 on a sling I'd be less likely to be confronted by BG's .
7. Easier to aim in a high stress situation.
8. I can shoot it at the pistol range.
Y'know all the same reasons that pistol caliber carbines were invented. Now if you are talking CCW, not so much.
The main advantage of the rifle is that it fires a rifle-caliber round. The Storm is not going to do that. However, it is better than a pistol in that you will get slightly higher velocities from the same rounds and you have the handling bonus of a nice, well-balanced carbine. That advantage cannot be overstated; shoulder fired weapons are just plain easier to shoot quickly and accurately than handguns for almost everyone. The main advantage of the pistol is its small size, which in a HD role is less important (concealability means very little, but the ability to clear tight spaces is useful).
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you are going to grab a rifle-sized weapon, it might as well fire a rifle round. However, the Storm is nothing to sneeze at defensively, and is better than a 9mm pistol.
Tell that too all the people that have died after being shot with pistol rounds...
"82% of all people shot with a handgun live"
I don't know where this stat came from, but it really made me wonder.
To me, teh main advantage of the CX4 would be range, not necessarily power.
From the discussion already, it sounds like you guys are as confused on the subject of it's suitibality as I am, and therefore I feel better
Did they give a corresponding statistic for rifles and shotguns?
here's the only relevant stat i'm aware of for mortality:
"Among gunshot assault cases where the firearm type was provided, 82 percent of non-fatal victims were shot with a handgun."
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/fidc9397.pr I believe the 82% figure being tossed around in this thread is just a misquote of this one. 82% of those that live through being shot were shot with a handgun. I wonder how many of the rest were shot with a .22 rifle or birdshot....
I don't believe its unheard of for people to survive headshots with pistol rounds. Even just recently with the school shooting in canada, which was oddly enough from a storm, "One patient, 22 year-old Leslie Markofsky, is suffering from two shots in the head; surgeons removed one bullet but the other may be too risky to remove without causing permanent brain damage."
Long story short it performs better than a 9mm handgun and will be easier to hit with than a 9mm handgun but if you're going to have something as big as a rifle, I'd have a real rifle.
I really don't care what the stat is for living/dying after being shot with any particular round. I care very much what the stat is for "stopped what they were doing and dropped" when shot with any particular round. The two are not necessarily correlated.
Home/property defense weapon...Why not!
Afterall, any weapon for home defense is better than no weapon.
I think 9mm being shot out of a carbine length firearm is a good option for home defense, but since it is hardly able to be concealed on your person, IMHO it is not a good option for self defense.
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