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How silly would a CX4-storm be for self defense?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Nitrogen, Oct 2, 2006.

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  1. Nitrogen

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    I got to shoot a CX4-storm on Saturday. It was a fun little carbine, and it looks really cool. I'd love to pick one up, but in order to do so, I have to convince myself it'd be at least passable for self defense uses.

    So how silly am I for even considering this? Am I better off using a 10/22 for self defense?:what:
     
  2. eab

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    IMHO, I think it would not be the worst choice. Miles better then a 10/22. 9mm is a killer for sure. Same bullet used in the MP5 that all the SWAT teams used before they started switching to the M4.

    Take in mind I have never shot one. I have handled them and find them pretty handy and would not mind owning one for sure.
     
  3. Sry0fcr

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    Why wouldn't it? People are going to say that if you're going to get a rifle then get a rifle. Honestly, I don't think you can call self defense shooting at someone 200 yards away...
     
  4. beerslurpy

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    Uh neither? CX4 is basically a pistol with the bulk of a rifle. You'd be better off with either a pistol or a real rifle shooting a real rifle caliber. Ie, an AK or AR in some intermediate caliber. For the cost of a storm, you could get a really good AK or build a decent AR.

    Rifles arent just about range. 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 both hit really hard at close range, far harder than any pistol round. If youre using fragmenting/expanding rounds at close range, the tissue damage is orders of magnitude greater. Also, a rifle will go through soft armor, walls and most forms of cover, which makes it more useful inside a house. According to the marines urban combat penetration tests, 7.62x39 goes through concrete, brick and drywall with no problems.

    Add in the fact that a rifle is easy to score hits with at ranges where pistols are mariginal at best, and there is no reason to defend your home with anything less.
     
  5. Euclidean

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    Well isn't a 9mm pistol a respectable self defense weapon? How can improving on that be a bad thing?
     
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    It's a marginal self defense weapon. The only benefit of a 9mm pistol is that it is small enough to conceal or to hang on a belt holster without discomfort.
     
  7. Doug S

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    Handy is the key word. I don't own the Beretta, but I do own a Kel-Tec Sub 2000. I also have a couple of AK's and an SKS. If I were going to grab one of these in the night, I would most likely grab the Kel-Tec. Very handy, and it also shares magazines with my HD G17 and CCW G26. Not a bad combo in my opinion. I don't think owning an AR would change my opinion. Not to mention that many people will tell you that a rifle round such as the AK uses, is too much for inside a home.
     
  8. Zero_DgZ

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    It's got slightly more power than a pistol in the same caliber (longer barrel = marginally higher velocity) and the kicker is that it's much easier to accurately aim.

    I wouldn't go wandering around down with one under my trenchcoat, but it'd make a dandy house gun. Also, pistol caliber rounds will punch through fewer obstacles than rifle rounds (though, as proven on the Box O' Truth, will still knock holes in plenty of plain drywall).
     
  9. browningguy

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    I don't think a pistol caliber carbine is a bad idea at all. No experience with the Beretta, but I have a Sub2000 with the Glock magwell. With the lower rail mounted light and 33 round mags it should work pretty well. I also have an AR, with the .50 Beowulf upper it would do a good job but is longer and heavier than the SUB, and I have a SU16, excellent .223 but again longer than the SUB.
     
  10. SuperNaut

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    I bought mine for potential Katrina-esque scenarios with the following rationale:

    1. Shares the same ammo as the majority of my handguns.
    2. Recoil is minimal, so my wife isn't afraid of it.
    3. Any increase in fps is okay with me.
    4. It is small and light so it is easy to store, carry, stash, etc.
    5. It is accurate enough for small game if the need arose.
    6. It looks scary as hell and in a SHTF scenario with the CX4 on a sling I'd be less likely to be confronted by BG's .
    7. Easier to aim in a high stress situation.
    8. I can shoot it at the pistol range.

    Y'know all the same reasons that pistol caliber carbines were invented. Now if you are talking CCW, not so much.:) ;)
     
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  11. Coronach

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    I concur.

    The main advantage of the rifle is that it fires a rifle-caliber round. The Storm is not going to do that. However, it is better than a pistol in that you will get slightly higher velocities from the same rounds and you have the handling bonus of a nice, well-balanced carbine. That advantage cannot be overstated; shoulder fired weapons are just plain easier to shoot quickly and accurately than handguns for almost everyone. The main advantage of the pistol is its small size, which in a HD role is less important (concealability means very little, but the ability to clear tight spaces is useful).

    Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you are going to grab a rifle-sized weapon, it might as well fire a rifle round. However, the Storm is nothing to sneeze at defensively, and is better than a 9mm pistol.

    Mike
     
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    Tell that too all the people that have died after being shot with pistol rounds...
     
  13. Nitrogen

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    Strangely enough, when I went to Front Sight, I heard a stat that made my eyebrows raise.

    "82% of all people shot with a handgun live"

    I don't know where this stat came from, but it really made me wonder.

    To me, teh main advantage of the CX4 would be range, not necessarily power.

    From the discussion already, it sounds like you guys are as confused on the subject of it's suitibality as I am, and therefore I feel better :eek:
     
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    I'd be interested to see how what percentage of that "82%" were hit COM instead of receiving superficial wounds. Shot placement is everything.
     
  15. Doug S

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    I read things differently I guess. I don't read any confusion here, just difference of opinion. That's what makes reading these thread fun, gathering information and then trying to make sense of it all. So far the it seems that 7 are in favor of the 9mm carbine, 1 against, along with some other comments/questions. Going by this thread so far, I'd run out and buy the Beretta;) .
     
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    Did they give a corresponding statistic for rifles and shotguns?
     
  17. Mr. Ouchie

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    I choose a CX4 as a home defense weapon. It's easy to handle and points well, and pretty importantly my wife can handle it. Recoil is minimal (9mm). Penetrating concrete and brick is definitely something I don't want in a home defense weapon. I can grab a full-size rifle if I need to by the CX4 is what stays by the bed.
     
  18. crunker

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    I guess it would be okay for home defense if you have bigger property, but not too big, or I'd say just go with a full power rifle or carbine. If you have normal sized property though stick with 12 ga. or a high-cap handgun. It would probably be better though if you got an AR-15 carbine converted to 9mm so you can use high cap mags.
     
  19. Soybomb

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    All the power of a handgun round with all the bulk of a rifle.

    here's the only relevant stat i'm aware of for mortality:
    "Among gunshot assault cases where the firearm type was provided, 82 percent of non-fatal victims were shot with a handgun."
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/fidc9397.pr I believe the 82% figure being tossed around in this thread is just a misquote of this one. 82% of those that live through being shot were shot with a handgun. I wonder how many of the rest were shot with a .22 rifle or birdshot....

    I don't believe its unheard of for people to survive headshots with pistol rounds. Even just recently with the school shooting in canada, which was oddly enough from a storm, "One patient, 22 year-old Leslie Markofsky, is suffering from two shots in the head; surgeons removed one bullet but the other may be too risky to remove without causing permanent brain damage."

    Long story short it performs better than a 9mm handgun and will be easier to hit with than a 9mm handgun but if you're going to have something as big as a rifle, I'd have a real rifle.
     
  20. Coronach

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    I really don't care what the stat is for living/dying after being shot with any particular round. I care very much what the stat is for "stopped what they were doing and dropped" when shot with any particular round. The two are not necessarily correlated.

    Mike
     
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    One also must consider the noise factor. I have shot a Hi Point 9mm carbine from inside my house, out the window and i could still clearly hear afterwards. Now do the same with any .223, and you wont be able to hear a thing, except ringing. In a home defense scenario, the ability to hear the screams of family members, the barking of the dog, or the footsteps of the badguy is a tremendous advantage that cannot be overlooked.
     
  22. MechAg94

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    9 mm will work for self defense. There are better options out there, but it will work.
     
  23. SWMAN

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    It'd be okay for plinking from 50 to 100 yards but for self-defense you could do worse than a 12 gage pump and this is one of them.:)
     
  24. OEF_VET

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    It sure as heck beats using a pointy stick covered in poo.
     
  25. Glockster35

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    Self defense weapon? No way!

    Home/property defense weapon...Why not!

    Afterall, any weapon for home defense is better than no weapon.

    I think 9mm being shot out of a carbine length firearm is a good option for home defense, but since it is hardly able to be concealed on your person, IMHO it is not a good option for self defense.
     
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