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How soon before there's an invasion of sorts?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by MCgunner, Feb 11, 2006.

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  1. MCgunner

    MCgunner Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    The end of the road between Sodom and Gomorrah Tex
    Just saw a report on MORE violence in Nuevo Loredo. The druggies attacked a newspaper office there that was critical of the drug lords/cartels using automatic weapons and tossing one hand grenade into an office. They shook up the editor there who vowed no more investigating the drug lords. The local police say it's the Federali's job, they won't budge, bought off no doubt. Of course, it's a fact that the Federalis are on the payroll down there. An American can get busted for having a .308 round in his pocket, but there are reports of shoot outs in Nuevo Loredo involving RPGs!

    So, even the Mexicans are saying it's only a matter of time until it all spills over the border across the river. It is very reminiscent of the Cali cartels in Columbia, taking over the actual government and fielding their own armies with insane amounts of money/income from drug sales.

    Will it be up to US citizens to take up arms? Will this involve us in a war with Mexico? I am beginning to see scenarios here. I know, too, that many Mexicans are very anti US. Most are trying to get over here to get jobs and get out of that place and I don't blame 'em one bit! But, there is a large anti US sentiment down there and I'm sure Al Quaeda has taken notice of the situation.

    Can it be much longer before we're at war with 'em? Do you think either the elected government or the actual government (the drug lords) would be so foolish as to think they could win anything involving military? Sure, we're spread thin in the middle east, but we still have a lot of arms and armor and air power right here in the good ol' USA. What might you think the drug lords are thinking about by bringing the violence over here? Do they think we'd have such a hard time this time as Black Jack Pershing had in 1916? Do they think we couldn't find 'em this time?

    I'm tellin' ya, I think something's going to hit the fan down this way sometime soon. It ain't gettin' better and the drug lords are terrorists by nature. If we are truly at war with terrorists, we should start thinking and planning invasions of Mexico. I wonder if the Pentagon is working on contingencies? My money would be on it.

    I've gotta confess I've never thought much of Mexico's politics. The entire system has been corrupt forever and it's not hard to figure how drug lords could BUY the federalis and the government, local and national, down there. Money talks in corrupt societies like that. The government is almost totally socialistic. It breeds corruption as centralized as it is. Some times I wonder if corruption isn't a positive social moray down there.:rolleyes:
  2. NineseveN

    NineseveN member

    May 25, 2004
    Wow, let me get this straight, you regsitered in December of 2005 and and have over 1200 posts? Wow..amazing.

    I think you're getting way ahead of yourself. While I won't dismiss the idea that a conflict could arise, an all-out war seeems improbable; neither government wants a war with a neighbor separated only by a shallow river and an imaginary line on a map.

    Mexico would surely lose, but we would suffer a number of losses on the border states and any war would grind certain aspects of our economy to a slow pace, hurting industry. It's one thing to wage war thousands of miles away, it's another to start combat with your neighbors.

    Militarizing the border to stave off a conflict is possible, and probably the best solution, but it won't happen with this administration, or at least it's not likely to.
  3. Moondoggie

    Moondoggie Member

    Aug 22, 2004
    Small Town, Nebraska
    In the recently reported incursions in Hudspeth County, TX the folks dressed in Mexican Army uniforms had a hummer with a .50 cal mounted on it.

    Mexico says these were NOT their army folks...they were imposters.

    Since firearms possession in Mexico is charged as "fomenting revolution" how is it that these criminals have firepower like that? Can you say "payola"?

    I read the report of a study in Mexico that stated that the AVERAGE Mexican Citizen pays out approx 12% of their gross income in bribes to gov't officials. Their entire political system is based upon this concept.

    If it comes down to some sort of military action, there's a big difference between the forces of Gen John Pershing and the forces of today compared to the adversary on the other side of the border. Back in the day our troops had horses and rifles...their guys had horses and rifles. A different stroy today.
  4. ElTacoGrande

    ElTacoGrande Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    República Aztlán
    If we want to defeat them, we need to defeat our own drug warriors. If drugs were legal none of this would be possible.
  5. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Nov 8, 2004
    Spring Hill, Florida
    Where can I get some of these RPGs? That sounds like a neat toy.

    On the main issue before the court, clearly this is a situation calling for Marines to kill people and break their posessions. It seems like most of the policing in iraq is being done by the army, so why not send a few marines mexico's direction?
  6. Sindawe

    Sindawe Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Outside The People's Republic of Boulder, CO
    Exactly. We are seeing the same results of "drug prohibition" that we in this nation did with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s. Criminal gangs, corruption of police and courts, turf wars and shedding of innocent blood.

    Not to mention that cultivating hemp could put a BIG dent in our demand for overseas petroleum sourced fuels. http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm
  7. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Los Anchorage
    We have to get rid of GW and his internationalist cadre before there's any serious change at the federal level. He is a true believer in open borders, and no harsh reality is going to change his views on the subject. His wing of the GOP is also deeply dependent on money from agribusiness and megastores that rely on cheap illegal labor.

    The Dems are a joke, and barely able to function as anything more than an opposition party. Moreover, they're even worse than GW on this score. It's going to take a coup in GOP ranks, and that's where the Dems can help. A big Democratic victory in the upcoming house and senate elections may will tip the balance against the cabal in power and the GOP will come to its senses. The Dems in the mean time will of course screw up and be out of favor again by the time of the Presidential election.
  8. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 20, 2002
    Now, is there a civil liberty issue here? Yes. Are we discussing it? Not really. We're discussing the politics of dems vs. reps.

    If you want to hold a discussion about the civil liberty implications of the drug war and open vs. closed borders, feel free to open a new thread and do so.

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