How to make our votes count...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by marshall3, Mar 20, 2007.

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  1. marshall3

    marshall3 Member

    Dec 9, 2004
    Signal Mountain, TN
    What is the right thing to do:

    1) Vote for a pro-gun Republican that you really don't like much otherwise, assuming we get a pro-gun Republican Presidential candidate, and we may not. Or...

    2) Vote for a 3rd party candidate who believes in everything YOU believe in, but who has less than a snowball's chance of getting elected?

    Which way is more likely to preserve our rights into the future?

    Another way of putting the same question: are we better off now than if Gore had been elected instead of Bush?
  2. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe Member

    Jul 7, 2005
    The good part of Dallas (i.e. not Dallas)
    Ah, you have discovered the limits of democracy in a country in which restrictions on Federal power have been discarded. Too many hands on the steering wheel.
  3. cosine

    cosine Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    Suburb of Milwaukee, WI
    "Here we go 'round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush,..." :neener:

    Just watch. ;)
  4. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    If everyone voted the way voting was intended, then we wouldn't have all these problems. Instead people vote in compromised candidates in a compromised system...and this is the end result. People have been conditioned to believe there is only A or B, therefore all the other dozens of candidates (even within the main two parties) are not viable.

    I await all the people who will cry that I am throwing away my vote by picking the best candidate rather than the least compromised candidate with the most advertising dollars. Republicans will cry I am helping out the Democrats with my wasteful vote. Democrats will cry I am helping out the Republicans with my wasteful vote. :rolleyes:
  5. Car Knocker

    Car Knocker Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    Salt Lake City, UT
    What pro-gun things has Bush accomplished as President leading a Republican Congress for 6 years?
  6. Cuda

    Cuda Member

    Feb 3, 2006
    Bottom line is just vote.

    I'll leave it at that.

  7. duckandcover

    duckandcover Member

    May 18, 2006
    Federal Judges

    Don't forget that the President also nominates Federal judges. Would Gore or Kerry have nominated Roberts or Alito?

    In the case of the Supreme Court, it is expected that the next President will have the opportunity to nominate up to two new judges (replacing Stevens and Ginsburg).
  8. RealGun

    RealGun Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Upstate SC
    Be more concerned about what Courts do to your rights or allow legislatures to impose, not executive candidates. What your voting dilemma is trying to address is who will of will not mess with you. If the legal system worked as it should, allowing that federal and state constitutions mean what they say; not more, not less; and that laws have a context and mean only what they say, you might like things better. We have a right protected by the 2A and 14A, and a lot of good it does.:(

    What that can mean, as others have suggested, is that one should have a concern about who will be picking judges. But the underlying problem is the legal profession itself, too often manipulating the law to seek a desired result, gun control being one major area. Social issues are very much a part of that process too.

    The country is run by an imperial Court that takes fewer than 100 cases a year. Due process is limited by that Court's capacity and the unwillingness by Congress to expand the number of seats, since it is so dysfunctional that it can barely manage the process of replacing one Justice.
  9. funfaler

    funfaler Member

    Sep 3, 2005
    Yep, ye ole mullberry bush....

    Wise voting is the best voting. If want to "make a statement" with your vote, then don't bother, "they ain't listening". The state primarys are a great place to make a statement, and you may actually win, or at least move the local/state party in the correct direction. On a national level, there is little hope of having a positive influence, just a neutral one. For President, it really is "either/or", and to try to make a statement there is counter productive, sad to say. As stated above it is the curse of our system outside of the Constitutional bounds.

    The way I see it, we need to stalemate the Federal government as much as possible, until our state governments find their gonads and stand up for their rights. It will be much easier and more productive for us to concentrate our efforts on the local/state levels and try to tread water on the Fed level. Much easier to impact an election with a few hundred thousand votes that with millions.

    Ron Paul has it figured out, he is not "third party" for a reason.
  10. xd9fan

    xd9fan Member

    Sep 8, 2005
    Under tyranny in Midwest

    Great post....I feel and think the same way.
    Until Americans follow their heart and minds.........this current crap will continue....little do they know....THEY are helping the problem along. Liberty is tough risky business.....most dont have the stomach for it.
  11. 07Lway

    07Lway Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Ft. Collins
    I think that the original poster would be interested in supporting Ron Paul in getting the republican bid for president. I am a libertarian at heart, but am forced to choose which rights I want to protect every time I vote. If Ron Paul was in the race, I could vote for someone that actually believes in The Constitution, and who I agree with 80% of the time (instead of the normal 30% of the time).

    I know he is behind (McCain) right now, but IIRC, Kerry was farther back on the Democratic ticket then Ron is now and he managed to get the bid. Just check him out, and see what you think.

  12. Colt

    Colt Member

    Sep 13, 2005
    What anti-gun things has the president (actually) done? What would Kerry/Gore likely have done?

    I wanted more out of Bush, too. But to claim we'd have been better off with his opponent is absolutely ridiculous.
  13. Bubbles

    Bubbles Member

    Apr 26, 2004
    Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia
    Having been politically involved at the local/state level for a while, I know quite a few folks who are Libertarians. All have said that if Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, they will vote for him and not the Libertarian nominee... if they even field one this time.

    That said I will vote for the best person I can in the primary.
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