cracked butt
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Evil, the lesser of the two.
How will you vote from this election forward?
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03Shadowbob
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+1 Robert Hairless
I also vote for party not person. I don't necessarily like GW Bush but his party is a lot better than the others (IMHO).
I also vote for party not person. I don't necessarily like GW Bush but his party is a lot better than the others (IMHO).
The lesser of two evils, probably Republican unless Jeb Bush runs, then I'll vote Libertarian. If its going to be Jeb Bush and Hilliary Clinton, I will give up all hope for this country democratic process. The Dynasty would continue with Chelsea Clinton and one of GW Bush's daughters running in 2020. I think the Libertarian party will win in 08 since everyone will be "so called" throwing away their votes in protest.
I really want a solid , non wacky 3rd party candidate to run in 2008.
I really want a solid , non wacky 3rd party candidate to run in 2008.
Just to sort of stir the pot a little I have to ask that if I'm supposed to only care about 2nd amendment legislation, what good is the 2nd amendment? If I can't vote against the patriot act because I'm too worried about my guns being taken away, what good is the 2nd amendment to begin with? If a little legislation is all it takes to disarm people, isn't that a sign that the 2nd amendment has lost its teeth anyway? If people are willing to be disarmed have they lost the rebellious spirit of liberty anyway? 
Borachon
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Ross Perot.
I like it when someone in Washington admits there is a giant sucking sound.
I like it when someone in Washington admits there is a giant sucking sound.
Let's look at my options.
1) I could vote Republican, but during the primary, one of the Republican senate candidates in my state, Katherine Harris, declared that voting for a non-Christian is voting for sin. She was easily nominated as the Republican candidate. Being a non-Christian, it was made clear to me that the Republicans neither want or require the vote of non-Christian sinners such as myself (the hypocrites have enough of their own already).
2) I could vote Democrat, but I'll then have to spend the next six years trying to hang on to my second amendment rights. Plus, the thought of being "represented" by some smug jerk who thinks that anyone who disagrees with his position is simply not smart enough to know better is unappealing.
3) I could vote independently, and have a clearer conscience, but if he doesn't win, that end up helping one of the bozos above.
4) I could not vote at all. By not voting, I'll give up my right to complain, but I won't be responsible in any way for electing some greedy, power-hungry jerk who cares not one bit about serving the people who put him in office.
Right now, #4 is the most appealing to me, giving up my "right to complain" is a small price to pay for having the right to say "don't blame me, I didn't vote for that *******"
I think it's sad, but this is the first election in the 22 years I'm seriously considering sitting out.
1) I could vote Republican, but during the primary, one of the Republican senate candidates in my state, Katherine Harris, declared that voting for a non-Christian is voting for sin. She was easily nominated as the Republican candidate. Being a non-Christian, it was made clear to me that the Republicans neither want or require the vote of non-Christian sinners such as myself (the hypocrites have enough of their own already).
2) I could vote Democrat, but I'll then have to spend the next six years trying to hang on to my second amendment rights. Plus, the thought of being "represented" by some smug jerk who thinks that anyone who disagrees with his position is simply not smart enough to know better is unappealing.
3) I could vote independently, and have a clearer conscience, but if he doesn't win, that end up helping one of the bozos above.
4) I could not vote at all. By not voting, I'll give up my right to complain, but I won't be responsible in any way for electing some greedy, power-hungry jerk who cares not one bit about serving the people who put him in office.
Right now, #4 is the most appealing to me, giving up my "right to complain" is a small price to pay for having the right to say "don't blame me, I didn't vote for that *******"
I think it's sad, but this is the first election in the 22 years I'm seriously considering sitting out.
Keith Wheeler
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Last time I'll say it in this thread.
Huckabee.
By not voting, I wouldn't be responsible for putting politician D in office by denying politician R a vote because I voted for a third party that had no chance of winning anyway.
Not better for the third party, or the people, but better for me.
I guess I'm just thinking selfishly here.
Manedwolf
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As to politics in general, when I hear stuff like that for 08, some Republicans want to run Jeb Bush and some Democrats want to re-run Kerry, I just get the mental picture of a really, really, REALLY big bulldozer.
I am so utterly sick of more-of-the-same, lobbyists uber alle (there's over 33,000 lobbyists active in D.C. now), pet obsessive wedge issues, corruption, lying, stealing, nepotism, profiteering, cronyism, disgusting scandals coming like afternoon rain every day, coverups, and just sheer, idiotic, loudmouthed, closed-eared, closed-eyed INCOMPETENCE with a capital I and a dozen exclamation points that I've just lost all faith in both parties.
Jefferson's tree of liberty is a crumbling ruin that's rotted from the core.
We REALLY REALLY need a third party.
I am so utterly sick of more-of-the-same, lobbyists uber alle (there's over 33,000 lobbyists active in D.C. now), pet obsessive wedge issues, corruption, lying, stealing, nepotism, profiteering, cronyism, disgusting scandals coming like afternoon rain every day, coverups, and just sheer, idiotic, loudmouthed, closed-eared, closed-eyed INCOMPETENCE with a capital I and a dozen exclamation points that I've just lost all faith in both parties.
Jefferson's tree of liberty is a crumbling ruin that's rotted from the core.
We REALLY REALLY need a third party.
Panthera Tigris
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I voted for independents before, probably will now.
borrowedtime69
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Seriously disappointed with attitude about voting!
i dont mean any disrespect or to flame you with the following statement but...
a few million American soldiers have given up their time, happyness, health, limbs, sight, dreams, and lives to give us the right to vote for our leaders to represent us and to run the country the way we see fit. i for one will NOT take their sacrifice for granted by sitting out pouting that if nobody's "perfect" for the job, im just not gonna vote.
there has to be a government, someone has to run the country, provide national security, public services, transportation, and justice.
i for one will stand up and vote every chance i get, not just for me, not just for my children, but to thank those soldiers that gave some or all so that i could have the chance to vote freely for the person i think is best to do the job. no political system is perfect, you have to make the best of what you have. -Eric
i dont mean any disrespect or to flame you with the following statement but...
a few million American soldiers have given up their time, happyness, health, limbs, sight, dreams, and lives to give us the right to vote for our leaders to represent us and to run the country the way we see fit. i for one will NOT take their sacrifice for granted by sitting out pouting that if nobody's "perfect" for the job, im just not gonna vote.
there has to be a government, someone has to run the country, provide national security, public services, transportation, and justice.
i for one will stand up and vote every chance i get, not just for me, not just for my children, but to thank those soldiers that gave some or all so that i could have the chance to vote freely for the person i think is best to do the job. no political system is perfect, you have to make the best of what you have. -Eric
cbsbyte
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This is a pretty stuiped post since elections are not that Black & White. For instance, I will be voting Democrat for state representives, Independent(against a Republican LT governor) for Governor, and third party or not at all on national races. No way in hell I am voting for Kennedy or my national representive but I hope that Dems take both houses and end up impeaching Bush. And yes I believe Dems will sweep both houses for the betterment of this country.
borrowedtime,
The real insult to past soldiers would be to take the vote they (in theory) protected and use it to help either Bush or Clinton or Kerry into a position of power. Because none of those politicians have any respect for any of the other rights that the soldiers (in theory) protected.
The real insult to past soldiers would be to take the vote they (in theory) protected and use it to help either Bush or Clinton or Kerry into a position of power. Because none of those politicians have any respect for any of the other rights that the soldiers (in theory) protected.
borrowedtime69
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this thread made me sick
klinton & kerry are indeed scum of the earth, but ive seen nothing but respect and honor from Bush to our soldiers. i dont know what your malfunction is about Bush and the republicans being just as bad as the dems, the dems would have pulled a france manuveur after 911 and we would all be speaking arab and praying to allah. Bush answered their attack with force, now the scumbag terrorists are afraid to attack us until a dem gets in office.
if you dont want to vote for anyone cause everyone is evil and corrupt, then what the hell do you suggest can be done about it?!?!? you just want to give up on America and to hell with everybody?!!? what a defeatist attitude, go right to innaction and surrender. lets hear your solution to this "nobodies good enough to govern" crisis.
the economy is doing well, we havent been attacked again in 5 years, we all still have our guns, we have a decent, honorable man in the white house that isnt getting blown in the oval office or bombing asprin or chemical plants and calling it a strike against terrorists. Bush 43 is twice the man his father was and 10 times the man klinton was. sure, he's letting the illegal imigrant thing slide and i dont like that, but hell, no politician is ever gonna be perfect.
are you an anarchist? you want to go back to having a king? whats your solution?
klinton & kerry are indeed scum of the earth, but ive seen nothing but respect and honor from Bush to our soldiers. i dont know what your malfunction is about Bush and the republicans being just as bad as the dems, the dems would have pulled a france manuveur after 911 and we would all be speaking arab and praying to allah. Bush answered their attack with force, now the scumbag terrorists are afraid to attack us until a dem gets in office.
if you dont want to vote for anyone cause everyone is evil and corrupt, then what the hell do you suggest can be done about it?!?!? you just want to give up on America and to hell with everybody?!!? what a defeatist attitude, go right to innaction and surrender. lets hear your solution to this "nobodies good enough to govern" crisis.
the economy is doing well, we havent been attacked again in 5 years, we all still have our guns, we have a decent, honorable man in the white house that isnt getting blown in the oval office or bombing asprin or chemical plants and calling it a strike against terrorists. Bush 43 is twice the man his father was and 10 times the man klinton was. sure, he's letting the illegal imigrant thing slide and i dont like that, but hell, no politician is ever gonna be perfect.
are you an anarchist? you want to go back to having a king? whats your solution?
NAIS?
Patriot Act?
Real ID?
Can you vote for that in good conscience?
Do I advocate surrender and inaction? No. But neither major political party has anything to offer the freedom-minded citizen. So voting simply isn't an effective way of getting a freer America. Other things are, though. Like getting fence-sitters interested in shooting and gun rights. Or email encryption and privacy rights.
Patriot Act?
Real ID?
Can you vote for that in good conscience?
Do I advocate surrender and inaction? No. But neither major political party has anything to offer the freedom-minded citizen. So voting simply isn't an effective way of getting a freer America. Other things are, though. Like getting fence-sitters interested in shooting and gun rights. Or email encryption and privacy rights.
DRZinn
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I'm still not sure why everyone acts as though it is unquestionable that Bush said this.
Bottom Gun
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If the Lord meant for us to vote, he would have given us candidates.
longeyes
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In the current social and cultural context suffrage is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Apathy, lack of turn-out, general ignorance of the issues, misuse of the voting privilege, and media manipulation on a grand scale have made the "sacrament" of voting more illusion than reality. Add to that the degree of social division we now have, and it is even-money we may not even have an '08 Election or if we do have one it will be nothing more than a charade concocted by the usual suspects angling for advantage.
Did someone mention bulldozer? I'll vote for that!
This comes from someone who's voted in every election since I was legal, and that was a long time ago. Kidding ourselves that elections, at this juncture, will really be the answer to any of our serious problems will get us nowhere. We are not even talking about the real issues in our elections--what's the point, even if people were informed and showed up? I don't write this happily; on the contrary, our position is tragic.
Did someone mention bulldozer? I'll vote for that!
This comes from someone who's voted in every election since I was legal, and that was a long time ago. Kidding ourselves that elections, at this juncture, will really be the answer to any of our serious problems will get us nowhere. We are not even talking about the real issues in our elections--what's the point, even if people were informed and showed up? I don't write this happily; on the contrary, our position is tragic.
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