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How would one legally own a sawed-off?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by shotgunner, Oct 23, 2005.

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  1. shotgunner

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    What type of paperwork is necessary to own a sawed-off shotgun?
    Is a class 3 permit necessary??
     
  2. JeepDriver

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    ATF Form 1, $200 and wait 3-6 months.

    Then engrave your receiver with your name, city and state.

    After all that is done you should be good to cut the barrel down

    ATF Forms can be down loaded here:

    http://www.titleii.com/archives/000008.html
     
  3. shotgunner

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    Yeah cause I think a sawed off would make a great defense shotgun =]

    You think both barrels could be discharged at once without damaging it?
     
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    I think that if it was made originally as a sawed off it should only be a $5 tax stamp.

    I have never understood it, but some are $200 and some are $5.

    You can touch off both barrels at the same time. Won't hurt the gun, might not be fun for you though.
     
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    If the gun left the factory with a rifle stock attached it can not be an AOW ($5 transfer) It must be registered as a SBS ($200 transfer/Tax)

    It's like AR's. If the receiver is a registered pistol, you can buy the 7.5" barrels w/o breaking federal law, but if the receiver left the factory as a rifle, 16" is the minium lenght for barrels
     
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    I sawed off a Savage 20 Gauge once.



















    I just stopped at 18 1/4".:evil:
     
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    I thought an AOW still requires the $200 initial tax, then transfers are $5.

    Could you imagine paying a "tax" to register a Bible or a word processor.

    ...our government is broken...
     
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    Good to know. I do a lot of film work, and the sawed-off is a popular request... firing blanks the kick isn't bad.
     
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    Shhhhh! Don't give the leftist extremists ideas, eh?
     
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    It's a $200 manufacturing tax. DO NOT manufacture the thing until you have your stamp.

    $200 for shotgun. $200 for tax. Might be cheaper to just buy one as an AOW.
     
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    Doesn't the manufacturer have to pay the $200 tax as well?

    Might not be that much cheaper. I know the super shorty cost lot of money for a sawed off Maverick 88 or Mossberg 500.
     
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    I have never quite understood why you can get a manufacurer license and make a short-barreled shotgun, but (It's been my understanding) if you come up with Grand-dad's Ithaca Auto Burglar or Marble Game-Getter that wasn't registered during the amnesty period, (i.e. no papers) there's no way you can make it legal. Am I wrong in this assumption? (I'm in WA State so maybe this is some state restriction)

    Dean
     
  16. rhedley

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    Depend on length

    *Sawed Off* isn't the problem. Barrel length and averall length is.
     
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    It's a "Short Barreled Shotgun" or "SBS", not a "sawed off" shotgun. You'll scare the sheeple. :p

    Kinda like calling semi-auto rifles, with normal capacity magazines, "Assault Weapons" or "Bullet Hoses".
     
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    Short barrel That's very true.

    By the term*SAWED OFF* Everyone assumed it was an AOW..
     
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    Okay, this is probably a stupid question... but what's AOW?
     
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    Any Other Weapon.

    Part of Title II that does not include Short Barrelled Shotguns and Rifles, Fully Automatic Weapons and Destructive Devices. E.g. a shotgun with a barrel of less than 18 inches but less than 26 inches in length overall (pen guns, cane guns, inter alia).
     
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    definition of an "any other weapon,"

    A BATF term. definition of an "any other weapon,"
     
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    I "found' a marble arms game getter in my uncles stuff after he died. It turns out it was registered and so another family member was able to get it. Funny how he never mentioned the gun, anyhow I often wonder what I would have done with the thing if it turned out to be unregistered.

    Wouldn't it be legal to take a legal length barrel MAGG and do a form 1 w/tax and then cut that barrel after the approval?
     
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    No, lets. Maybe when people have to deal with those restrictions on 1st Amendment issues they'll get the point.

    Chris
     
  24. nomadboi

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    They kinda already do... remember the 'free speech zones' in NYC during the Republican Convention last presidential convention?

    Unfortunately not enough people care when it isn't happening to them personally, and few seem to see the connections between the rights to free speech, freedom of religion, rkba, etc.
     
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    AOW (Any Other Weapon)

    "The term "any other weapon" means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."

    [26 USC Sec. 5845(e)]

    Here is an interesting example of an AOW:

    http://www.serbu.com/shorty.htm
     
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