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Howa/Axiom- opinions?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by bang_bang, Aug 18, 2009.

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  1. bang_bang

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    I stumbled on these the other night, helping my friend find his next toy. This rifle caught both of our eyes. Pistol grip, compact, heavy barrel....sounds really intriguing.

    We're looking at the heavy barrel configuration, chambered in .308 Win.

    Anyone tinker with these rifles? I'd really like some reviews on how they perform on paper. Gimme the good and bad.

    http://www.legacysports.com/products/howa/howa_axiomstd1.html
     
  2. ricebasher302

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    The one review I read was in a magazine and they said accuracy was "acceptable" which generally means "poor." It was a .308 shooting 1.75" groups. I don't believe what I read in the magazines too often, but it was something I noted. I like the platform, but MOA accuracy is not a difficult thing to achieve these days, and I've come to expect it. I really haven't heard much other than that.
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    Heavy barrel Howas tend to be capable of excellent accuracy with the right loads, as in people use them to shot prairie dogs at 500+ yards.

    My sporter-weight .30-06 does 1/2 MOA with half-decent handloads. With Wal-Mart factory hunting ammo, it might do 1.5".

    The long-range p-dog guys handload very carefully.

    That said, the Howa/Axiom heavy barrel is pretty heavy all around. What I'd say about it depends on what you want it for. For any kind of offhand shooting, a traditional stock works better.
     
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  4. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    They used to be extremely accurate on average, but Uncle Mike (dealer) says he's seen a quality decline in Howa recently, so be careful.
     
  5. bang_bang

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    So Howa is actually selling a 1.5 MOA rifle for $800?

    No thanks, I'll stick to my $300 Stevens to drive nails with.
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    No, I wouldn't call it a 1.5 MOA rifle. It'll probably do 0.25 MOA if you load for it.

    Depends on what you want to shoot through it, like most guns. I don't know anyone who wants that kind of accuracy and doesn't load his own.
     
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    I just bought a Howa 1500 in .308 that shoots sub-moa out of the box, WITH cheap Winchester 150gr power points. I am pleased to say the least.

    t2e
     
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    http://www.savagearms.com/10pc.htm

    For pretty much the same amount of money, I can get this little "Precision Carbine" from Savage.

    Heavy 20 inch barrel, .308, compact....fits the bill also.

    I believe we have a winner. Now for that job thing...:uhoh:
     
  9. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    The conventional wisdom WAS this: The Sub-MOA versions of the VANGUARD were cherry picked after testing with standardized ammo, and fitted with a better stock, labeled "sub-MOA", and the price raised considerably. But on the Howas, this procedure was not done, so you had a fairly decent chance of getting a Howa that was sub-MOA with ammo configuration X. But your chances of getting a Howa which was sub-1-MOA with TUNED ammo to that rifle was very good. Sub-MOA rifle in most cases was the result, without the two premiums paid (one for the Vanguard designation, and one for the sub-MOA designation). So Howas got a well-deserved reputation for accuracy.

    But see allegation of recent decline in quality and customer complaints from the perspective of a shop owner/seller.
     
  10. bang_bang

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    Ok..but lets throw the Savage into the mix.


    Savage is well known for out-of-the-box accuracy, as well as it's tunable trigger. Apparently, Howa is having some issues on consistent products as of recently. For $30 more MSRP, I can get the Savage, and almost guarantee that the accuracy is superb with factory ammo out of the box.

    I do reload, btw.
     
  11. ArmedBear

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    No reason I can think of not to get the Savage (with the new Accustock, NOT without it!). Just thought you were interested in the Axiom package specifically.
     
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    I was at first...until I looked on the Savage site just a minute ago. Comparing them side by side for their purpose, they both are exactly what my friend and I are looking for.
     
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    fwiw... i've shot 3 inch groups shooting offhand with my savage with factory ammo. it's a pretty accurate rifle, especially for the price.
     
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    I like them they shoot well better than the test results
     
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