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How's this for a sub-machine gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by zahc, Jan 1, 2006.

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  1. zahc

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    That's a kool little SMG. Do you have any info on it, who makes it, how much? It looks to be factory quality.
     
  3. Destructo6

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    Looks like one of those Tippmann mini machineguns, converted to .17hmr.
     
  4. jamz

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    WARNING!!

    I clicked on that link, and lost my operating system on my laptop. (I'm posting from an alternatecomputer). Could be a coincidence, could be that new mircosoft hole.

    No disrespect to the postr, but it's a site that could have a lot of losely controlled popups.

    -James
     
  5. Phantom Warrior

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    Actually, it's .17 Mach 2. I noticed it first because the casings are necked down and too short to be .17 HMR. Then my roommate was like "Yeah, and the box says '.17 Mach 2.'" Me: :what:
     
  6. kjeff50cal

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    Looks like just the thing for the What caliber for crazed Chiuahuas, and porno invaiders? thread :D .

    kjeff50cal
     
  7. ParChaser

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    Pretty cool but I could see that would end up costing a lot of money to shoot and a lot of time to load the belt.
     
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    Linky no worky for me and my Mac
     
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    Several years ago we had a guy living across the alley and he was a czech. He was a prototype machinist for Honeywell and made all sorts of little things just to keep himself occupied. He had made a 1/2 scale MP40 chambered for 25 ACP. It was a jewel. fully machined not stamped like the original. He would take them in to work and play with some of his toys. Coolest two things he had were two models of a german 88 dual purpose gun. one was kinda crude but still very well done made of brass, all from artillery shell cases that he had found around his childhood home. The other was a fully functioning model that shot I believe, 30-30 ammo.
     
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    There is the problem right there.
     
  11. zahc

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    It's a video of what looks like a 1/8? scale Ma Deuce firing .17 machII from a linked belt.
     
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    Thats a neat little gun
     
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    Pretty darn cool.

    Imagine paying a $200, getting an CLEO signoff and waiting for ATF approval just for that little thing? :p
     
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    Works just fine on my Mac :scrutiny:

    I'm thinking that this thing would be illegal for any of us serfs to own ... I doubt it was built before 1986 so its a dealer only item. :banghead:
     
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    Does Tippman still make those? Looks like a fun little deal.
     
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    The only way for those of us who can't afford $16,000 M16s to get into the Class III world is to become Class III dealers or Class II manufacturers.

    Rick
    Works fine on my iMacG5 using Safari/Opera/FireFox
     
  17. TexasRifleman

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    Works on my Mac too.

    And, it may well be a pre-86, just redone in .17 from .22. They sold quite a few of those crazy things in .22 back in the day.
     
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    If you're a Class II manufacturer, you can make it.

    If you're a Class III dealer, you can buy it.

    Pre/Post 1986 doesn't enter the equation.

    Rick
     
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    Unfortunately it does for the other 99% of us...... (if we want one too)
     
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    I disagree.

    If you really want to get into Class III (MGs and suppressors, et al), becoming a Class III dealer is $1,000 per year (unless they raised it), and a Class II manufacturer is a fraction of that.

    Far cheaper than buying even the cheapest 9mm subgun.

    Instead of paying $16,000 for a pre-1986 transferable M16, you can buy a new one for $800.

    And when you get tired of your toy, you can trade it to someone else (another CIII/CII).

    Rick
     
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    The rights to the Tippmann designs have been sold to Lakeside Guns, who are still producing them apparently; videos can be seen at http://www.lakesideguns.com , and they also make some other interesting rimfires, including a belt-fed upper for AR/M16s.
     
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    Did anyone look at the other video's? Some funny stuff there.

    Check out " lucky buck" and "machine gun granny".
     
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    Rick

    Pre/post 86 makes a big difference. Both Class 2 and Class 3 are $500 per year for small volume makers. Class 2 also neet a Department of State registration ofabout $1500 per year (I'm Class 3 so while I know it exists, I can't quote the exact cost).

    Buying post 86 machine guns means you have to have an offical letter from a police department requesting a demonstration. You need a letter for each model you buy. BATFE will call the police department to confirm the demo letter so a police department does not just pass them out to anyone. A Class 2 can make post 86 machine guns without needing a demo letter but will need a demo letter to buy someone else's gun.

    Post 86 guns are cheap but the demo letter requirement makes them hard to buy and limits the resale market. Of course a Class 2 can easily convert semiautomatic guns to post 86 machine guns. I agree with you that if a person wants an M16, it will be much cheaper in the short term (2-5 years) to get a Class 2 and make your own machine guns. These made post 86 samples have no resale value other than as a parts set - all of your money is gone. If an individual buys a pre 86 transferable machine gun, the up front cost is much higher, but the individual will get all of the money back and some profit since prices have been going up 15-20% per year.
     
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