Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Sheldon J, Jul 5, 2009.
Gabe has some very valid points, most of which have been made by guys like SouthNarc & Gomez for years. It'll still be ignored by the slashey TMA types, but at least this doctrine is getting more exposure.
In the big picture of fighting for your life I see no value in the justification for what some call a "less lethal" or "more legally defensible" methodology. Neither of those is true. Using a knife on someone is legally considered deadly force & requires the same justification whether you're stabbing or slashing; just like shooting someone in the face vs. shooting them in the leg with your pistol.
Because of the source & (aggressive) presentation though, I think a lot of people will dismiss this out of hand.
Most people, probably more than 75%, don't have a clue how to sharpen a knife.
How do you reconcile the "keep it sharp" and "everything" when most people can't sharpen?
Its hard to kill with a slash, so don't p-foot around I suppose. Cool stuff.
With that said, I am a knife guy, carry at least 2 on me every day. Knives are tools. The uneducated say otherwise. Just the term "fighting knife" tells me the author is under-educated or just immature.
This needs to be said again:
KNIVES ARE TOOLS.
If your knive becomes a self-defense tool it's owner needs to know how to use it, I understand that, but I get the impression the authur just wants an excuse to mame someone not just defend himself.
GUNS ARE TOOLS TOO.
Not hardly......Try to get a tactical folder on an aircraft or into a courthouse or federal building with metal detectors.
I trained pekiti tirsia kali and we never, even though we trained daily to permanently disable the attacker, talk that way about weapons or techniques. This was over the top and I dare say, "out of control" language. I shun to think that man attaches that sort of language and ideology to Christianity.
If I can take a knife there, I can take my gun there.
2). It becomes the first line of weaponry when the pistol is not available by choice, policy, inaccessibility or loss.
I'll take a stick or something that actually provides *protection* rather than just maiming power
3). If things have gotten bad enough to need the knife, the use of the knife should be aggressive, brutal and terminal, and not "defensive".
Exactly, there is no such thing as defensive knife really. Which is why it is not a good life saving tool, mostly just a good life ending tool, and not for honest people
4). There is a place for using a knife against the unarmed adversary if that adversary is younger, stronger or faster than you are...or more numerous.
Fair enough, but how/why is it the best tool for the job?
8). Again, if a folder, it needs a movable clip so operators may carry it as desired. The more I work on this Killing-focused system, the more I am liking reverse grip - edge in. That means for a righty, you carry point up- blade forward.
Ooh, operators and killing-focused system...
9). It must be cost-effective. Notice I did not say CHEAP. Cheap knives are for fags. Cost-effective means that if I decide to ditch it, I will not be heart broken to lose my special one-of-a-kind....nor will that special one-of-a-kind be tied to me.
Yeah, everybody knows cheap knives don't kill people
10). There should be a boatload of them out there in society....like Glocks. Thus you cannot be identified or tied to the gear you use.
If some of this stuff sounds like it comes from the world of the criminal rather than the world of the law abiding good guy, it does. One does not go to a clean shaven altar boy to learn to cut a throat.
Fair enough, I think this guy is telling the truth about being a criminal
what kinda training you do?
This one actually makes sense. I spent my life being teased because I have always had a knife in my pocket even on the day I got married and handed it to the bridesmaid to open gifts with. The shocked look on the old ladies faces in the crowd was worth the ball and chain.
If you try to avoid that you will be on the defensive.
You are referring to an author who is well respected in this field. Gabe writes in a manner that gets to the least educated as well as the Harvard folks. He does this to motivate and take out all the garbage that our society injects into our politically correct world.
Not for honest people? Huh, sounds pretty anti to me.
I can't for the life of me understand you calling Gabe a criminal. You're boarding some animosity for our side, which concerns me. Gabe writes in context of current concerns we have in law and society.
When I was a police officer on street duty, almost all the knives I saw criminals with were of very poor quality, semi dull, and used more for intimidation of victims. If you have to use a knife, you've already failed in keeping out of trouble by observation of whats around you, and who's around you. It also means the enemy has already been scoping you out, and you'll be coming from behind.
A knife is a poor weapon at best, and as far as your knife going where your gun can't, I call fail on that. I've flown on major airlines, traveled on cruise ships, and security was very tight. It was actually tighter on the cruise we took than the airport. The ship had a strict no knives policy, and when we came back abourd ship at every port, we had to go through security again. I had a heck of a time disquising a Victorinox classic in a small personel first aid kit coming and going. However, my blackthorn walking stick went right under the radar.
Knives don't make it. Use your head so you won't have to try using a knife.
Secondly, what is not Christian about defending yourself or your family from a violent attacker by whatever means neccessary? I train for real-world violent situations, both armed and unarmed. There's no way to be more "Christian" about shoooting or stabbing someone. It's going to be violent and bloody, and hopefully, the Lord sees fit to grant me the strength to be victorious and return me to my family.
I said, it's not a good life ending tool for honest people. Good in the sense of effective, optimal, and ideal. I said it is not a life saving tool [as a combat weapon in a defensive situation]. The emphasis and brackets were implied by my context, I thought.
More power to honest people who happen to use a knife to save their own lives, in combat or otherwise. I would love to see zero prior restriction on knives and guns. However, to me, this is like saying "use a suppressed .22. That way, no one around the dude you off will hear you; also, .22s are common and it won't be traced back to you."
Like the .22, the knife is not optimal or a first choice, and there is seldom any reason to resort to it if you have proper mindset and toolset. I have no prob with tactical knives and suppressed .22s, but if someone is recommending or implying using these tools in a way that is outside the law in a public forum, I'm going to rebuke them.
The guy is not allowed to use/own guns in the United States. Do some research. I wouldn't have said anything about him being a criminal if he hadn't correctly hinted that he was one.
Don't make this about how Gabe Suarez is an amazing instructor and I just don't "get" him. There is a time for no holds barred talk and action, and there is a time for not shooting off at the mouth in public forums. People who post info online need to learn the difference and get some self-control.
The guy is not allowed to use/own guns in the United States. Do some research.
now thats funny how about you read the links in this thread there are clues there
and there is a time for not shooting off at the mouth in public forums. People who post info online need to learn the difference and get some self-control.
and thats funnier still see above and those pesky links heres a hint think misdemeanor
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