hunting boar with knife *video*

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  1. yongxingfreesty

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  2. MattC

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    Somebody should give them some pointy sticks and masks, then all they will need is an island. A bit cruel to give it a stab and then enjoy watching it slowly die.

    As to what he threw to the dogs, your first (unwritten) guess is correct.
     
  3. tank mechanic

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    It would have been too easy to shoot it and put it out of it's misery.

    And yes, those are testicles.
     
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  4. yongxingfreesty

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    no idea, cant see the video too well.
     
  5. mbt2001

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    What does that mean?

    They were willing to shoot it earlier and they had their guns the whole time. I am sure that had the hog turned on them, they would have used the pistols... Which isn't cool.

    Compare the two videos... I don't have a problem with Knife hunting. I have a problem with making it look some macho, bloodthirsty right of passage crap. http://youtube.com/watch?v=-2JBcb3YUaY&mode=related&search=

    Don't start a fight, but have your bodyguards standing by in case you don't win.

    :scrutiny:
     
  6. Byron Quick

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    I've watched animals die after being shot and I've watched animals die after sustaining a mortal knife wound. Saw a hog hit by a throwing knife. The entire blade sunk into the lung cavity just behind the shoulder but higher than the heart. The hog jumped at the impact and looked around to see what hit it. Didn't see anything and continued to wander around until weakened by blood loss. Laid down and died. Friend of mine raises hogs. One year during slaughter, we decided to test an old katana I have. Decapitated the hog. The head gnawed at the ground for maybe twenty seconds. I've seen shot hogs take a good bit longer than the knife and sword strikes I've personally witnessed...or that video.

    I work in the ED. Talking with victims of stabbing attacks, the only ones who realized they'd been stabbed were the ones who saw the knife beforehand. The people who didn't see the knife thought they'd been punched where they were stabbed. This included wounds that would have been fatal without treatment.

    If anything, some of the animals who were shot appeared to be in more pain and distress.

    You won't find me hunting hogs with a knife or a spear. I don't care to get up close and personal with a boar or a sow. One might get loose at just the wrong moment and I like my innards to remain inward.

    We need to find a middle road here to present a united front toward anti hunting elements. There are ways I wouldn't hunt personally. Doesn't mean I'm going to let that create a wedge issue for the anti hunters to use in dividing us and diluting our political strength.

    There's a few fox hunting clubs in this area. I won't be there. But I'll be at the ballot box when their method of hunting is under attack.
     
  7. mbt2001

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    Hey Byron,

    I meant to compare the video links... I think that everyone will see a difference. I really don't have a problem with Knife hunting, not into it myself.

    ;)

    How did the Katana work? One swipe? In Japan, the masters used to test their blades on convicted "death row" people and cadavers.
     
  8. Byron Quick

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    Yeah, just finished watching the Hawaii one. Much better.

    But the kids in the first one are very young and probably could use someone to show them better ways of acting.

    The katana was one very easy swipe. I hit too far back and it got the edge of his shoulder blades. I was expecting a shock similar to whacking a sapling with a machete when I hit bone. None. It was almost as if the blade was sucked through the hog's body.
     
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    I don't know, I pick up a wounded duck, I ring its neck. Is that any less cruel? I often pull the heads off doves that are still floppin'.

    Guys I've dog hunted with don't like guns, dangerous to the dogs. They use a knife to eliminate all possibility of shooting a dog. I've always carried a handgun anyway, just in case, but was told not to use it unless it was a life preserving reason. We always cut the throat/carotid, to let 'em bleed out, kills pretty quick, really, and a Rapala or Fiskars fillet knife was usually the tool, not really a macho fighting knife or anything. The dogs have it by the ears, you just walk up and cut it. It ain't pretty if you have a weak stomach and are used to watching game fall and maybe kick once or twice to your 300 mag, but it's real life in the wild. Killin' ain't that pretty, but it's natural for a predator.

    Now, that little hog wasn't a big deal. You should see what goes on when the pack corners a 350 lb bruiser! That's when I want my .45 for back up. :eek: I've seen one hog stabbed, didn't do the stabbing, that went over 300. Lord, I stood back with the .45 at ready for that one. Weren't takin' any chances. But, I didn't have to shoot, dogs held the thing. Hunting at night makes things even scarier when you walk up on a bruiser like that.:what: :D It's an adrenalin rush, but guys have gotten hurt and dogs have been killed. It's a rough way to put pork on the table sometimes. The guy I hunted with actually had a pet lion. He hunted huge farms around the area for farmers and fed his lion with his kills. City made him get rid of the lion, though. I don't know if he's still hunting, but probably. Lots of guys around here sell the hogs for cheap, even advertise 'em for sale. I don't know how legal that is, but it isn't a violation of game law. I knew a guy out at work that hunted with dogs and I used to buy a small hog off him quartered once in a while, 20 bucks. They were always killed the night before and on ice.

    I suppose a lot of folks wouldn't have the stomach for hunting hogs with dogs, but it is a rush. You're killing an animal. I'm not sure why the method of death makes any difference. I see guys shoot deer all the time on TV with a friggin' stick and a string and the deer runs off, lays down, and slowly bleeds to death. Is that any more "humane"? If you criticize hunting with a knife, you're walking down a slippery slope, seems to me, especially if you enjoy bow hunting. JMHO of course. Hell, the PETA freaks think FISHING is cruel! Before long, pulling onions out of your garden will be cruel. :rolleyes:
     
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    If you want to see a pic of a really big hog check out this link to a 1100lb hog that was shot south of Atlanta.




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB-IqrmcrYw
     
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    I agree with you. What I found cruel on their part was that they stood there slightly amazed and blood-drunk watching it convulse and die (rather than thinking to cut the carotid artery*) accompanied by the zoom-in on the bloody knife and hand. My above reference was to The Lord of the Flies, where the mob of boys chase, attack, kill, and rape a pig. I thought the symbolic act of tossing the testicles to the dogs was only a way for the boys to further play in violence, by adding a sexual violence to the event, in part bolstering their self-images of masculinity (in a manner similar to the gang in The Lord of the Flies).

    The cruelty was not knife hunting, but rather the relishing of pain and violence that the group demonstrated.

    *Byron Quick suggests that even doing this would probably not have sped up the death, which is something I was not aware of when posting above.
     
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    I think Matt C summed up perfectly what I was thinking when I wrote the above post.
     
  13. Byron Quick

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    Animals react differently as individuals to equivalent trauma. I've put vehicle hit deer down with pistols. Most were DRT with one shot to the cranium.

    Then I had a fawn shot square through the cranium get up and try to walk off even though its pelvis was smashed. Lived for about a minute. Creeped me out.

    Saw a buck shot through the diaphragm and one lung run a quarter of a mile before it laid up in some fennels. We tracked it down with a beagle. It ran another quarter mile before blood loss wouldn't let it go any further. Then it took four shots through the center of its neck to kill it with a 10mm. Tough buck.

    On the other hand, I've hit one in the same neck area with one shot from the same 10mm load and it ran maybe 50 yards before it bled out and died.

    Had a buck move just as I took a shot of no more than thirty yards with a .300 Winchester Magnum. Instead of hitting its lungs, I blew out its shoulder. The round knob of its leg bone was lying on the ground. I made the mistake of trailing it too soon instead of letting it lie down and bleed out. That buck got away in the swamp. Lost the blood trail over a quarter of a mile into the swamp.

    My preferred shot on deer is a diagonal shot through a shoulder, both lungs, and exiting around the short ribs on the far side. With a .300 Winchester Magnum, I've seen everything from the deer running two hundred yards, to DRT, to one buck that fell by an oak sapling whose hind feet beating on the sapling sounded like a long burst of fully automatic rifle fire.

    From personal experience, I don't think there is a small arm that will kill an animal with either no or an absolute minimum of pain...every time. One animal will die immediately. Another wounded in exactly the same way will run for two hundred yards with an expression on its face as if all the hounds of hell were right on its butt...and gaining.
     
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    knife is too short

    the blade only looked to be 6 or 7 inches,it probably would have died quickerhad they been able to go through more of its vitals.
     
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    Why not use a proper weapon such as a spear? Better control, less risk to your hands and vastly greater forces involved. Spears are for killing--have been for 500,000+ years. Knives are for butchering afterwards.
     
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    Don't recall that part... perhaps I got the expurgated version.:uhoh:
     
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    I've refrained from commenting to this point.

    What I see isn't hunting but a gang of thugs out having a good time at the pig's expense. Bad enough that it happened, even worse that some had the gall to film it. This could easily have been a "someone" following a few beers.

    Just my $.02:cuss:
     
  18. TMM

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    i bet you're remembering the part where Ralph accidentaly got his spear right up the boar's ass. ouch.

    As to boar hunting with a knife, no thanks. i'll go with a big rifle or shotgun with slugs, thanks.

    ~TMM
     
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    I wouldn't be proud of that kill. Hog weighs about 170.To much cruelty! [email protected]
     
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    some of these responses remind me a bit about an outdoor writer who recently critisized a particular type of weapon for hunting. seems he got a bit ostrasized.
     
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    Yep, I still fail to see the difference in these kids stabbin' that hog and bow hunting, as far as the pain and suffering anyway. But, man has been hunting with the bow for a whole lot longer than the gun. The knife, or spear, is the oldest of man's killing tools. How they act afterward, well, they're kids. I was a kid, once. I don't recall acting like that hunting, but I did some stupid things and acted pretty stupid on occasion, like drinkin' two bottles of sangria wine and chuckin' half the night. Some of us learn by mistakes, I reckon. :eek: I was so stupid I learned the same lesson with bourbon not long after.:rolleyes: In fact, it took several years of pukin' before I started to figure it all out, I'm allergic to large quantities of liquor or wine. :rolleyes: Heck, I'm friggin' lucky to be alive when I think back on things.
     
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    How do you think people hunted before the early 1700s?

    With knives and spears, just like that. They were a bit slow with the kill though. A brave bunch of amatures. ;)
     
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    pure awesome. see, you dont need an uzi to hunt deer or hogs like bill clinton pointed out or any assault rifles to hunt. just a knife. and I thought it was something that I club coons and oppossums with a pipe. too bad we dont have wild hogs here in ohio.
     
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    Don't get TOO excited. Unless you're John Rambo, you still need well trained dogs.
     
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    As far as that video is concerned. Their can be a lot said, yes. But, there are far more things one sees’ on national TV these days, than on that video. Remember (you ole’ timers) how things would not be shown or even thought of for TV in the 50’s, 60’s, even 70’s whether fiction or reality?
    Does the “Fear Factor” (smile) sets in, on touching/using (mentioned) animal body parts for those intended purposes? It seems these animal parts; one just takes for granted where they do come from. Maybe, somewhere down the line, someone will have a purpose for them.
     
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