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Hunting is evil

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Red_Wind, Jan 12, 2006.

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  1. Norton

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    Here's a reason: It's FUN!

    They're animals, not school children. Yes, they are creatures which feel pain and that is exactly why every responsible hunter goes to great length to see that they harvest game as humanely as possible. But to equate these animals as somehow having rights equal to or in some cases surpassing those of humans is just plain silly.

    As for your alleged reading and writing on a college level....if the college students who I've taught are any indication of what passes for college reading level these days, it's no great shakes to proclaim so.

    You want to know why you're catching grief? It's because, by definition, you are a troll. You came here with your cut and paste talking points without any first hand knowledge of what a successful hunt even requires.

    Furthermore, you came here to one of the busiest and most civil of any firearms board on the internet with your canned comments and utter lack of firearms knowledge. Why don't you try and take your trash over to arfcom or falfiles and see how things go there?

    You came here and passed gas in our living room and you're surprised that we told you it stinks? :rolleyes:
     
  2. gremlin_bros

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    see my last post on page 5
     
  3. JohnKSa

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    WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

    What does a statistic on worldwide hunting have to do with how many deer wolves kill in Idaho? This is not any kind of logic.

    Until you can put together some coherent arguments that aren't obviously cut and pasted from some other website, this is a waste of your time.

    Especially since you're actually beginning to post duplicates of your own posts... What is that supposed to prove?
     
  4. dakotasin

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    red wind-
    is hunting necessary? absolutely.

    what i can't stand is a person who tells people how to live or operate.
     
  5. Red_Wind

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    lol

    Fair point Gremlin_bros try not to judge me so harshly, and I will try to do the same

    This is why I am not against hunting

    I think that is really cool how a person can kill an animal, knowing he provided for his family, and how he killed it himself, that must be a good feeling reconnecting with nature like that (I am not totally biased you know, that was exactly what I have been looking for ever since I started this thread and I wish that hunters and I could coexist peacefully, though there are many irresponsible hunters out there though I am sure you are not among them)

    also I would have a lot more respect for you guys if you talk to me calmly like him, and not by calling me an ignorant idiot
     
  6. darwin_Hunter

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    How can u call yr self hunters?

    a true hunter doesn't need a gun...the only tools he needs his bare hands...and if u think im wrong well yr just a pansy hiding in the bushes....its not a sport, shooting an animal, its the sport when u play cat and mouse with yr prey....thats how it should be...

    guns have one meaning on this planet and that is weapons for cowards....

    the only purpose guns serve on this ...I agree wit red wind that some of these laws need to be changed to help regulate population better

    and some of these reply'ies need to wid' in there vocabulary from "idiots" to some thing more intelligent or postive.......
     
  7. Art Eatman

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    Red_Wind, I note you've not addressed any of the points I raised in my earlier posting. For that matter, I think the answer to "Is hunting necessary?" is implicit in my comments about the population dynamics of the whitetail deer.

    Now: "and yet he doesn't shoot the doe with the broken leg-he shoots the biggest buck, with the biggest antlers and skews the population ratio" (Not exactly college-level capitalization and punctuation.)

    Who says? First off, odds are that a hunter won't see the doe with the broken leg; odds are that the coyotes have already eaten her. Where I live, more likely a cougar...Regardless, in my very many years in the outdoors, I've seen very few crippled deer. In theory, there should be more surviving cripples now than before the 1970s; eradication of the screw-worm fly has made a difference--yet I don't see all those alleged cripples.

    Shooting a buck does not necessarily skew the population ratio. Again, see my comments about population dynamics. Further, most ranches now require shooting does in order to maintain a proper buck-doe ratio. The period since the 1930s has seen a vast accumulation of knowledge of wildlife affairs and management.

    Please, tell me what is the "proper" buck-doe ratio?

    I suggest not talking down to the hunters. You show me your Mensa card, I'll dig mine out. Tell me of your professional background in environmental matters. Tell me of your decades of experience in the Great Outdoors.

    Art
     
  8. Malfader13

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    Now whos doing the name calling? Once again you make assumptions about how and WHY I hunt. I have not said that I hunt for pleasure, sport, torphies, food, clothing or any other reason. So why do you call me an idiot and lump me in with the other hunters that you don't like, though from all that I read in your posts you are against hunting no matter how much you try to lie to us and yourself. Just accept that you are anti and we are pro. That you'll always hate it, and we will always justify it, and lets part ways. Go join green peace, peta, alf and you'll feel even better about yourself then you do badgering a few hunters on a forum.
     
  9. Red_Wind

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    lol

    You guys could give me some credit for at least trying to learn as well. . .I don't base my beliefs on one source alone. . .I have been doing this for years, and I still feel conflicted, part of me hates hunting and the other part. . .thinks the connection with nature that only hunting can bring is nothing short of awe inspiring
     
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    its past your bedtime red one..........go to bed please.
     
  11. trueblue1776

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    wait...
    what?
    :scrutiny:
     
  12. Red_Wind

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    lol

    Now whos doing the name calling?

    Excuse me I have not called anyone on this forum an idiot so please point out where you saw me saying that?
     
  13. JohnKSa

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    WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

    You ARE coexisting peacefully with hunters. What do you mean by this statement?

    Look, you have gotten a LOT of intelligent responses, but you have CHOSEN instead to concentrate on the few replies you have received that are more negative in nature.

    If you want to debate, you need to read the responses you have received, not pick and choose to only read and respond to the replies that are EASY. You also need to look at the replies you received that might actually require you to do a bit of thinking and researching before responding.

    I repeat that you have yet to post any sort of a coherent argument that is not obviously cut and pasted from one of your pet websites and you have chosen not to respond to posts which might tax the feeble allegations you have made and fallacious (or absent) logic you have employed.
    No, but you have chosen NOT to look at the other side of the argument. While you employ many sources, they are, without exception, HEAVILY biased toward the view that you have chosen. You have steadfastly refused to try to verify your "facts" by looking for independent confirmation, and that is largely because you are afraid that your views will not stand up to real research.
    What, maybe a maximum of 10 years? There are people on this forum that have hunted for 5 or 6 times that long. Combined, there are CENTURIES of hunting experience on this board. Your "years" of "doing this" are merely a drop in the bucket. You need FACTS, but you don't have any. You have PROPAGANDA, and you don't even do a good job of putting it into your own words.

    I have posted for the last two pages, at least, trying to get you to debate, and instead you have chosen to play "you're an idiot, no you're an idiot, no you're an idiot". If you want intelligent debate then you need to start debating intelligently. If you want to play namecalling games, you can do that with the other kids at school.
     
  14. darwin_Hunter

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  15. JohnKSa

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    WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

    She's entitled to her opinion, but she SAYS she came here to debate that opinion. This isn't about "trashing" anyone, it's about debate. What she asked for was "intelligent debate" and comments like "If u can kill it wit yr bare hands do bother killing it" don't really fit the qualifications SHE set forth for the debate.
     
  16. Art Eatman

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    darwin_Hunter, puhleeze! Work on your spelling, punctuation and grammar! Type your comments in "Word" and use spell check! Then drag it to your post. Okay?

    Anyhow, for all that you or Red_Wind are indeed entitled to opinions, that in no way means that the opinions merit attention. Sincerity of belief or repetition of it does not create fact.

    That one has a right to speak does not create any obligation for another to listen or give credence.

    FOR EVERYBODY: You may have noticed editing and deletions. Be advised that personal attacks are still personal attacks, regardless of the lack of merit of certain opinions.

    Art
     
  17. ReadyontheRight

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    Um...Aren't those who disagree with Red Wind also entitled to an opinion?

    Since us hunters are doing nothing to you, and we have no interest whatsoever in telling you how to live your life, I can only assume this is a threat.

    As I mentioned in my first post on this topic...The anti-hunting movement is based on a hatred of people. They've already got you threatining people you don't even know.
     
  18. Red_Wind

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    lol

    sigh. . .and I am continuing to be attacked by you people. . .kindly read my earlier posts. . .especially you gremlin
     
  19. Red_Wind

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    lol

    Here's a reason: It's FUN!

    They're animals, not school children. Yes, they are creatures which feel pain and that is exactly why every responsible hunter goes to great length to see that they harvest game as humanely as possible. But to equate these animals as somehow having rights equal to or in some cases surpassing those of humans is just plain silly.

    Can you kindly point out where I have made references to deer as being equal to humans? I didn't think so. . .-_-
     
  20. trueblue1776

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    hey Wind, tell your boy darwin to take his pill.

    I am a fitness fanatic, if this person can run down a deer and kill it with his hands we need to notify the olympic comittee.

    As long as we are arguing longstanding human tradition:

    I would like to let it be known that pants are evil. I don't like wearing them and I think I'll start my own organization with a mission of informing the public on the dangers of jock itch and sweaty ass. Red Wind and Darwin, will you campaign for me?
     
  21. Art Eatman

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    Backing up: darwin_hunter said:

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    a true hunter doesn't need a gun...the only tools he needs his bare hands...and if u think im wrong well yr just a pansy hiding in the bushes....its not a sport, shooting an animal, its the sport when u play cat and mouse with yr prey....thats how it should be..."

    I know of no food acquisition or preparation which is done bare-handed. That has not been the case for thousands of years. Gardening? Nope. Farming? Nope. Hamburgers at McDonald's? Nope. Fish or shellfish? Nope.

    "guns have one meaning on this planet and that is weapons for cowards...."

    Sure, guns are weapons. But, more importantly, they're tools. They, like hammers and screwdrivers, can be used for good or ill. Homo sapiens is merely the most proficient of all tool-users. A hunter uses a knife, bow/arrow, spear or gun as an appropriate tool to overcome his lack of speed, claws and teeth. In other words, he has made use of his brain.

    "I agree wit red wind that some of these laws need to be changed to help regulate population better"

    Unfortunately for this view, hunting has been proven to be the least costly and most efficient method of regulating game populations. That's why we have seasons and bag limits--but why we also have special permits for killing deer where there is an over-population. In areas with little or no hunting, the whitetail soon overpopulates both his habitat and that of humans (southern New Jersey was a case in point. Same for Lakeway, Texas.)

    Art
     
  22. JohnKSa

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    WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.
    Useless. This is a waste of your time and of anyone else trying to be constructive.

    You need to read the responses you have received for awhile, formulate a reasonable and coherent response and THEN reply. You're just generating traffic on the forum with no purpose at this point.
     
  23. Red_Wind

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    sigh

    What do you want me to say John?
     
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    red wind you cant say your trying to learn when alls your doing is reiterating your arguements while ignoring all posts that are convienent to you. you came here to stir the pot, you probably think its a hoot that everyone is up in arms about your inflamatory comments, then you try to say we are attacking you. At best you could only claim the people posting responses as defensive, not offensive

    you cant start a thread called "hunting is evil" on a hunting board and for one minute tell me you didnt think that would cull a negative response

    thats like me sending you an email saying "Your a child of the devil and i would sooner hug charlie manson then talk to you" and then i get offended when you fire back at me.

    you are attacking a way of life with at best a propogandonist's / domestic terrorist's mindset.

    deer aren't people, you said that, so how do you justify the atrocious things done to people by the groups you site your resources from?
     
  25. Red_Wind

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    Fair point Gremlin_bros try not to judge me so harshly, and I will try to do the same

    This is why I am not against hunting

    I think that is really cool how a person can kill an animal, knowing he provided for his family, and how he killed it himself, that must be a good feeling reconnecting with nature like that (I am not totally biased you know, that was exactly what I have been looking for ever since I started this thread and I wish that hunters and I could coexist peacefully, though there are many irresponsible hunters out there though I am sure you are not among them)

    also I would have a lot more respect for you guys if you talk to me calmly like him, and not by calling me an ignorant idiot


    !~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!

    If that isn't agreeing with you I don't know what is you could be a bit nicer you know. . . I am perhaps the only one here who hasn't called someone an idiot yet. . .
     
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