hunting with a .410 shotgun

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Bill Farley

A .410 slug has about the same ballistics as a .357 or 10MM handgun and both are very suitable for deer hunting. Of course you can take deer with a .410. Not at 300 yards but within about 40 yards no problem. Of course down here in Louisiana (Sportsman Paradise) we have taken hunting to a whole other level.
 
Common in Michigan

Hunting with a .410 shotgun with slugs for deer in Michigan is common in the lower half of the state. I normally hunt with a 12 gauge but have hunted with the .410 and taken deer.
 
This is an interesting discussion.The figures difference between .410 slug loads and pistol loads are a good point.
The .410 shotgun is and always has been an expert's shotgun.Just because of the relatively small size of the shell it still is effective when used correctly.
Many farmers carry .410's on their tractors or in their trucks.
The slug is not the "drop it right there in it's tracks" kind of load but it will kill a deer.I have killed two deer with a .410 slug.One at about 40 yards and one at 20 feet.Shot placement is everything.Both slugs were 3" Brenneke.
The more you shoot a .410 the more interesting it becomes.

Stan
 
.410 for deer hunting

First time on and I like seeing all the views. Letting you know, I just got back from a youth hunt with my son in Indiana. He took a 114 lb. doe with his .410 shooting Brenneke 3" magnums. He took it just behind the shoulder, it went all the way through, and the deer dropped about 40 yds. away. The shot was about 10 yds. away. Only problem was we found the fur, but no blood trail. The exit hole was the same size as the entry. Mixed feelings on the round because if he wouldn't have made a perfect shot and it would have ran as far as some of my other deer, we would have had a hard time finding it. We had the place scouted and the longest shot he could have taken was about 40 yards.
 
I started out with a .410 when I was a kid. I think it was a Glenfield, and I used it for small game hunting and with slugs for deer. One of my brothers had one also, a Winchester, and used it for the same purpose. I tell you, I hated those guns! I don't know how many squirrels I shot with mine, even knocking them out of trees, and they got up and run away, or into a den. Evidently by some posts here there are .410s that shoot a slug accurate, I have never seen one. Waiting for a shot with a shotgun at 20 yards is pretty senseless to me. So is giving a gun to a youngster that does nothing to boost his self worth as a hunter because all the game he hits goes running off. I almost quit hunting because of that. It wasn't fun. My brother has been taking his son hunting with his .410 and the poor boy has lost several squirrles and he wanted to quit hunting too, until this year when he could shoot a .20 ga. He finally started getting his hands on some of those squirrels he had been shooting, but not getting. A .410, TO ME, (I know a lot of people like them) might be a good plinking gun, but I would never let a kid even hunt with one. If he can't use a 20 gauge, (and I don't have much use for them either) he will wait until he/she can. Now when I was able to get my hands on a Winchester single shot, full choke 12 gauge, man, I got all kinds of stuff. Squirrels, grouse, quail, rabbits, what ever, I had lots of success, and lots of fun.
 
...Shoot a deer with a 410 slug (67 GA.!) and it will VERY likely die. There is no emergency room for the poor hobbled suffering creature to appeal to. It is in my opinion, FAR from ethical to use such a gun for deer hunting. Respect for our quarry ought to auger for a better, more humane choice in caliber, or gauge for killing game as large and hardy as whitetail deer.The poor little 410 isn't a good choice for small game, without a seasoned shooter behind it. I believe the 410 is in it's prime use when chosen by an EXPERT marksman for practice with skeet clays. Around a farm it makes a good gun to rid the barn or grain silos of vermin, it is also a superb snake killer, and works OK defending one's home with size 6 shot loads. The 28 ga. I believe is as small a gauge as the more prudent man would chose for most hunting chores..
 
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Here in WA:

Rifles—Elk, deer, and bear may be
hunted with a minimum of 24 caliber
(6mm) centerfire rifle. Cougar may
be hunted with 22 caliber centerfire
rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal.
Handguns must have minimum barrel
length of 4 inches per manufacturers
specification, and fire a minimum
24 caliber centerfire cartridge.
Shotguns—Deer, bear, and cougar
may be hunted with 20 gauge to 10
gauge shotguns shooting slugs or #1
or larger buckshot. Other big game
may be hunted with a 10 or 12 gauge
shotgun using slugs.
 
Ethics, humane, etc.?

Help me out here. Just wanting some discussion as it relates to this .410 deer gun issue. I have yet to see someone define "ethics" as a standard. Comparing a .410 and a 12ga. for deer hunting is somewhat like saying it is more ethical to kill a deer in only 2 seconds letting it run 5 yards with a 12 ga. than to kill a deer in 20 seconds after it runs 100 yards with a .410. Or throw in bow kills. Are those unethical or inhumane because they don't typically kill a deer faster than a 12 ga. And will somebody take a shot at this one: why are you so worried about an animal being taken unethically or inhumanely when you are simultaneously taking its life. If you care so much about it suffering, don't shoot it in the first place. Under the general rationale I see, it is unethical for all of us to hunt because we all know every time we go out, we can take a bad shot and wound a deer or make it suffer more than if the shot was perfect. And we've all made bad shots. Are we all unethical for causing a deer to suffer? I hunt an am pro-hunting, but it seems to me this talk about ethics and humane issues just divides hunters and gives anti-hunting groups a rationale, and logic, to hurt hunting. We all hunt because it is fun and exciting and relaxing, or whatever, not because it is necessary. Let me know your thoughts.
 
It's not legal in CT, but like mr. trooper said, if you limit shots to 20 yards it can probably be effective.

Leads us back to the old debate of how much is enough? if you want to use the bare minumum, then it is probably good enough
 
....What is "Ethical" in my view (and this obviously varies with the man) is a round that reflects a respect for life and your quarry. That is certainly not to say that 'if we feel that way we shouldn't kill the game at all. There is nothing unethical about acknowledging the natural food chain as wrought by nature's author. Is it unethical for a bear, cougar,weasel, ect.ect.. to kill and eat other life forms? Without taking life either animal or vegetable, our own is soon taken by nature. WE are predators by creation nothing unethical I can see in that!

....Do I wish to maim and un-necessarily inflict pain and suffering in taking the life that is to become my sustenance? NO! That is the measure of ethics for "ME". Each man must make this measure for himself. I killed a couple deer with a bow, then chose to give it up. I'd heard to many stories of lost animals around bow camps, and did not wish to have those experiences in my own memory banks. That's my choice, for me it is not more "sporting" to hunt with the bow, at least not for the game animal. My son John loves his bow hunting, and it would be un-ethical of me to enforce feelings born in me of sentimentality, and a kinship I feel with deer, on my son ,or on my fellow hunters. Each of us must judge such ancillary matters ourselves, while the right to hunt , the right to kill game, ought to be acknowledged in my view by way of studying natures law itself.

......Law ,true LAW,( not man's rules) is immutable, Ethics change with time & circumstance. In pioneer times, the children in need of food, winter bearing down, Mom and Dad hungry too, it wouldn't be unethical to take a deer, however much the beast must suffer, that isn't a necessary component of my hunts today.
 
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Each man must make this measure for himself.
I go along with that. Just so happens many of us see many of the same things as ethical, but it really boils down to how each person views the world. Now whether using a .410 instead of a larger gauge is ethical or not I can't say. But I think it sure is dumb! :D :D :D
 
A .410 H&R single shot was my very first deer gun.

That said...if you believe a 410 slug is no good for deer, then you'd better never hunt them with a 45 caliber muzzleloader...
 
...There is not much comparison between a 410 slug (which weighs 1/5 oz. or 88 grains, about what a .380 pistol bullet weighs) and a 200+grain .45 caliber muzzle loader's bullet. The muzzle loader in addition to having greater velocity and energy, has the advantage of a rifled barrel and far better accuracy and ranging ability. Check out manufacturer's ballistic tables and you'll see that the 410 slug loads are better suited to shooting a coon out of a tree than for humanly taking game like deer. Using one deer hunting is a good recipe for bad memories! ....Think I'm full of beans? Look up those ballistic tables. The 410 slug loads by Remington. Winchester and Federal are MUCH closer to .380 auto power level and don't approach the .45 caliber muzzle loader (the muzzle loader can more nearly match 44 magnum power).
 
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer with a 410 slug, but I know the limitations and would have to have the perfect situation.
 
I have a .410, but why in the world would I take it deer hunting when I also have a 20 and 12 gauge. I have shot slugs out of all of them and have no doubt that it would kill a deer. It's just not what I would call the best choice if something else is easily available. The .410 is great for skeet training, squirrel hunting, and introducing others to shotguns. It is not however, something I would want to shoot a deer with unless I had to. I agree that within 40 yards it could be a great first deer gun. It could also be a challenge to get a deer at 70 yards with one. But when a failed challenge can cause pain and a slow death in another living creature I tend to sit them out. I might try it at the range for giggles next time though.
 
I am a .410 enthusiast. I hunt all small game and Javelina with my .410's I have never considered the possibility of hunting deer with them. I do however hunt deer with my bow and can't see much difference between using the .410 and bow. They both require better hunting skills, closer range shots, and better shot placements. When it comes to ethical I don't understand the guys who insist on using large caliber rifles and shooting unsuspecting animals at over 200yds, that is truely unethical in my books. Good hunting takes time and patience. The closer you can get to your prey the better the hunt and the hunter.
 
I have taken deer out to 80yds with my single shot 410 and a slug.. Smooth bore and bead sighted... Yes its possible and a good choice if you want a challenge... Although i have just about sworn off shotguns all together i wouldnt hesitate to take a slug deer hunting if it were my only option...
 
I've shot my son't .410 with various slugs for accuracy and informal penetration. Accuracy was bad with all slugs I tried and penetration was shallow at best. Maybe another gun would shoot better, but I think it's better to use more gun to make a quick humaine kill.
 
Granted, many of you have taken deer and all manner of critter with a .410. That's super. However, on the whole, I think a little more punch would be appropriate if it can be had.

My dad has a .410. I call it "The Crippler," not the killer.
 
No reason not to find a better choice but no reason to not use it either... Its no worse than a bow... How many bow hunt... I do...
Its like fishing in the river.. Locally trout love chicken livers cause the cat fishermen use them lots for cats after the trout were introduced... But most say why ant you use something more traditional than livers...

And if we are going to look for something more why not get a 500 S&W instead of a 40S&W for CC I mean the 40 has a chance to not do as much damage right.... The 500 hit in the COM you could park your truck in right...


Seriously the 410 is a very useful tool... But its a tool... There is always better but when you have 1 tool that will work why go buy another
 
Not a good choice

Nobody has really mentioned the .410 slug is severely underdeveloped compared to a pistol or muzzle loader bullet. A .410 slug is usually a pure lead 97 grain chunk of metal while a pistol bullet is usually 225+ grain piece of hardcast lead or copper jacketed lead. I'm sure the slug also has terrible penetraction (so light:barf:).The accuracy of a smoothbore can also leave a lot to be desired. I won't trust a .410 on much of anything, that being said I occasionally enjoy them for squirrels and small birds.
HB
 
I shoot a 300 grain Hornady XTP in .45 colt to 1200 fps for 1000 ft lbs, and actually in Rugers and TCs, it's capable of probably closer to 1300 fps in that bullet weight. I just don't like to push it too far. :D The .410 slug has little or no real utility in hunting. I really don't know why anyone would buy a box, maybe just curiosity or something. I'd sooner use a .22 mag (illegal in Texas). It's more accurate and at least I could get a head shot with it to 100 yards. It makes as much energy as a .410 slug at the muzzle and carries more downrange.
 
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