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hunting with ak47?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by trigga, Sep 26, 2007.

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  1. trigga

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    i'm pretty sure this has been covered before but my buddy is going hunting for the first time this year and he's got a semi auto ak47 he was going to take.. i don't know if it's legal in the state of WI but i have seen some folks hunt with a full size ak47 before... i keep hearing people say the shot limit in WI deer hunting is five shots. i'm sure the guy had a full size banana clip. the regulations only states that the barrel has to be a certain length, caliber bigger than .22, certain over all length, one shot per pull of the trigger... where are you guys getting this info besides the regular regulation book that is available at any sports store? thanks in advance.
     
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    Garand shooters can pick up a two and three round enblock clip for hunting. Thats what I did for a few seasons.
     
  4. kenhtake

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    You can get 5 round mags for the AK, do a search online or you could possibly get a 10 rounder and put a block inside it to limit it to 5.

    AK's make dandy deer rifles. My mother used one for years even though she had access to much nicer rifles, she said she just liked the feel.
     
  5. Clipper

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    CDNN has 5-round magazines, I just recently bought a couple. Winchester makes a 125gr pointed soft point that should shoot to mostly the same POI of the FMJ Wolf stuff. I think the 154gr stuff is too heavy for the x39 round.
     
  6. BobMcG

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    I know that in my state the limit is a five round magazine so I do own a couple. I'll most likely never take it out hunting with me but this way I'm covered if I choose to do so. It's not my idea of a "fine" hunting weapon and I have plenty of those.
     
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  7. ArmedBear

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    Tell him not to wave it above his head and shout "Allahu Akbar!" And leave the Army surplus clothes at home.

    Some of them old deer hunters can be a might touchy.:D
     
  8. MCgunner

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    I don't hunt with inaccurate rifles, personally. Best AK I ever fired did good to shoot 5 MOA. No thanks. Magazines are the least of your worries. AKs make fun range toys. I prefer the SKS, though, even for that, a little more accurate, though no contender at Camp Perry or anything. An SKS will at least get you in the 3 MOA range.
     
  9. trigga

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    nice to know. most people i come across are against assault rifle hunting. i don't know why.
     
  10. MCgunner

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    Me, I ain't against hunting with an "assault rifle" (if you really call a semi auto an "assault rifle"), but I do request (1) adequate accuracy and (2) adequate cartridge for the game hunted. The AR platform is fine for accuracy and some ARs (AR10?) chamber the .308. The AKs I've fired all fell well short in the accuracy department. A well set up AR will shoot 1 MOA and the run of the mill will do 2 MOA. I don't hunt deer with the .223, though.

    If I wanna hunt deer with a mil surp, there's plenty of bolt guns to choose from or the good ol' Garand or the M14 platform. No, they're not real handy in the field. I'll never give up my Remington M7 for one. But, they have the cartridge in spades and they have the accuracy. If you can get around the 10+ lb heft of the things, they're fine. Heck, I have a 20 ft long 30 lbs thing (well, okay, I slightly exaggerate) called a Hakim, 10 round box mag, fires 8x57 mauser. THAT thing is a BEAST! It's quite accurate and God knows it's powerful, reminds me of a BAR or maybe a Bofors or something. LOL! God, though, you need a trailer to get the thing to your deer stand! It was only 80 bucks about 15 years ago and it's a hoot to take to the range and impress people with, bayonet and all. :D
     
  11. Gun Wielding Maniac

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    AK's are usually accurate enough. My 7.62's will do 3MOA. 5.45 and 5.56 better... Typically, "bad shooting" AK's are due to user's who have a hard time dealing with the sights.

    Optics do a lot for the AK.
     
  12. trigga

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    most deers i've seen are within a hundred yard radius and if i can make that shoot within less that two inches @ 100 yards, i would say is accurate enough for me. some people have higher standards, but that is me. my saying is if you have a shot, then take it because you might not get another.
     
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    I just wanna make SURE that within my range effectiveness, I put that bullet where it kills the deer and it don't run off limpin' from a poor shot and lost. I've never lost a deer, yet, in many years of hunting and don't plan to start. It almost happened a few times, but I found 'em and they were hit solid. I feel this is my obligation, to make a well placed one shot kill...remember that ethics thread????? :D The way I hunt, firepower is totally moot. I often hunt with a contender pistol, in fact. That gun shoots 1.5 moa even though it's a handgun. To its effective range limit, it's a very effective gun.

    Maybe I'm a little more anal about accuracy, but I just like my hunting rifles to shoot 1 moa or better. I know this is a high standard, but it's a very achievable standard with judicious handloading even for an out of the box hunting rifle. I have free floated and bedded a few rifles, but normally, a good bolt action hunting rifle, even a cheap one like the Savage 110 (more accurate than it has a right to be) will shoot 1 moa with a good load out of the box. I see no need to step down in accuracy and power from a hunting rifle to an AK. Just me, though. I particularly like my .308 caliber Remington stainless M7. It's lighter, handier, more accurate, and more potent than any AK on the planet for its intended purpose, hunting. Ain't very tacticool, but that ain't what hunting is about for me. To each his own, though. I have killed one deer with an SKS, at about 80 yards. That gun is only about a 3 moa gun. Keep your shots under 100 yards and pass on anything, but broadsides out at 75 to 100 yards and you should be okay if you can shoot 4 moa or less with the gun.
     
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    An AK is more than accurate enough to hunt with at the kind of ranges you'd use an AK at. Even if you had an abysmal AK that shot 6 moa that's still a good deal smaller than the kill zone on a whitetail at 100yds. I've seen a lot of really ragged 30-30's in the woods that even the most sloppy AK would shoot circles around yet you don't have do gooders telling their owners that their rifle is sub par hunting equipment. I wonder why this is?

    If an AK isn't accurate enough to hunt deer with then smooth bore shotguns should be illegal for hunting whitetail

    my advice is grab a box of 154grn Wolf and go kill sumpin tasty, stay away from domestic 7.62x39 the stuff is underpowered and terribly inaccurate even in a bolt action.
     
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    That's another thing, available ammo in 7.62x39. There is nothing that really gets me going. I used to handload a 135 Sierra Pro Hunter intended for the .30-30 out of a contender. It shot 3-3.5 moa out of my SKS rifle despite the fact that it was a .308 diameter bullet. It opened up and did admirably well on the one deer I shot with it. I don't really trust the hollow point "hunting" bullets to work that Wolf imports. The American stuff is awful, as krochus says. I'm not sure where to go with hunting bullets in the caliber, thinking maybe of trying some .30-30 flat points in 150 grains. Might be an option. But, it's on the back burner as a project right now, something to do when I get time. The 135 pro hunter bullet is no longer offered by Sierra. I haven't really fully researched the bullet offerings in the caliber in the last 10 years, might be a full diameter bullet (.311") offered now that would be a good choice. I don't really care to hunt with that rifle anymore, though, so I haven't worked on it.
     
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    You should thy the 125grn ballistic tip! They shoot great in my CZ and nosler states that they'll expand reliably all the way down to 1600 fps
     
  17. Deer Hunter

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    I used an SKS when I was a kid while hunting. Your friend is going to be just fine. Don't let anyone tell your friend that he can't hunt with it. Grab up some Brown Bear or Monarch SP ammo and go at it. It's how you take your shots and how well you hunt, rather than the gun used.
     
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    Thanks. I will do that. I know ballistic tips work fantastic at lower velocities. I shoot a 150 at about 2100 out of my contender and it's KILLER. Also, Barnes X bullets expand at low velocity rather well and PENETRATE well. I was thinking a Barnes in 120 or so grains might work on hogs. I've got my SKS set up to accept a red spotlight for night hog hunting, just ain't got the desire to stay up at night sitting in a stand. I'm more of a day person. But, I figure that'd be a good use for the gun since it's not really terribly accurate or effective out past 200 yards.
     
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    I have nothing against hunting with an AK, except mine has an awful trigger pull. I like a nice crisp trigger on my hunting tools.

    I believe an AK would be significantly more accurate with good trigger parts.
     
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    That's another good point. The SKS's triggers are pretty crappy, too, lots of creep. My hunting rifles are set at 3 very crisp lbs and break like the proverbial glass rod.
     
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    I thought Wisconsin limits you to five round magazines, but I couldn't find where they spelled it out in the regulations.
    http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/regs/Deer07.pdf
     
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    same here, i can't seem to fine it anywhere on the dnr site or the books. i remember my first year i hunted with my uncle's m1 carbine. it was a 30cal 15 round i believe. my dad said it wasn't allowed but he let me hunt with it anyways.
     
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    These days, DNR is probably a tad more vigilant and fines are higher.

    Our local fishcops have checked our bags and guns, and we were just packing up and getting ready to leave the field. They were nice and polite, but they were not shy about enforcing the law. The fines, as I understand it, can be pretty high. A lot higher than the price of a 5-round magazine.
     
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    I've got a call into the DNR main office in Madison right now regarding this. I called their customer service, who transferred me over to law enforcement, who had a recorded message suggesting that I call customer service.

    If they call me back I'll ask about magazine limits during deer season, since I couldn't find anything in the regulations, either.
     
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    Patti from Wisconsin DNR Law Enforcement returned my call this morning and said that there is no limit on how many rounds you can have in a magazine while deer hunting. Waterfowl has a three round limit, but there is no max for deer hunting.

    Repeat - there is no maximum limit on how many rounds you can have in a magazine while deer hunting in Wisconsin.
     
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