Husband And Wife Arrested After Pulling A Gun In Road Rage Fight

[Iron bottom]

I saw on TV that the wife handed him a gun with no magazine. He left and came back to do the shooting.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I've posted a few time here already, but I still can't make myself understand how a 30 year old man would make the decision to follow a couple of guys home, walk up to their vehicle and hit them.
I understand anger. There was a time in my life when I might would have fought when it wasn't necessary, but I was a freakin teenager. Now, I'm 32 and it would take an awful lot to get me to swing at someone. I wouldn't do it just because I was angry or because someone insulted me or was rude to me.
I just don't understand adults who have the mindset that initiating violence is a viable option.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I've posted a few time here already, but I still can't make myself understand how a 30 year old man would make the decision to follow a couple of guys home, walk up to their vehicle and hit them.
I understand anger. There was a time in my life when I might would have fought when it wasn't necessary, but I was a freakin teenager. Now, I'm 32 and it would take an awful lot to get me to swing at someone. I wouldn't do it just because I was angry or because someone insulted me or was rude to me.
I just don't understand adults who have the mindset that initiating violence is a viable option.

I've long had a theory that's only been affirmed the older I've gotten that explains these types. I firmly believe that a certain percentage of the population is no more self aware than a cat or dog that go throughout their entire lives merely reacting to outside stimuli through pure emotion with absolutely no higher thought process or reasoning taking place.




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[TarDevil]

I dunno, I think that is grasping for straws. Her husband could have been seen as retreating as he did retreat back in the direction of his vehicle while being beat. He was being attacked by persons other than the one he initiated the contact with. She legally then in that case use deadly force if she is in fear of her husbands life. The only crime I really see is if there was a shot fired after the kids retreated. A good defense lawyer would claim the defendant was only doing what the Vice President told Americans to do......shoot a few shots off into the air to scare away the threat.

We spent an inordinate amount of time discussing this, for some of the reasons you pose. Bottom line from from instructor, who got the bottom line from a common friend who is the assistant DA in my area (I'll follow up with him next time we're having dinner)... you cannot defend the aggressor with deadly force. If you happen upon a fight already in progress and you decide to intervene, you roll the dice as to who perpetrated the fight.

 

[Claude Clay]

absolute moron...starts a fight and than the wife hands him a jail sentence. had he waved her off they may ( just may) not have ended up in jail--where they belong.

 

[X-JaVeN-X]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread so far...but just to add what I heard on my local news. The guy followed those kids for 40 minutes before they arrived home (the video is shot in the kids' driveway). If they really did try to run him off the road, he should have called the police. If it was just a stupid "didn't check my blind spot" moment by the kids, then 40 minutes is plenty of time to cool off and let it go...

 

[Certaindeaf]

How 'bout a Pez dispensor shaped like a gun.. that's loaded with chill-pills.

 

[gym]

If he followed them for 40 minutes and then shot at them again, then forget what I said, that's premeditated ,or attempted murder in the first degree. He could be in jail for a long time.
An attempt to commit first degree murder while armed with a firearm is a Class X felony for which 15 years shall be added to the term of imprisonment imposed by the court;
http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/attempted-murder/

 

[gc70]

If they really did try to run him off the road, he should have called the police.

Yes, what about the Turners' 911 call? Reckless driving warrants a call to the police. And even following an aggressive driver a bit -while on the phone with 911- would have been justified to try to get a license number. Beyond that, things don't look good for the Turners.

Sadly, smart was in short supply in the Turner household that day.

 

[thump_rrr]

It appears that he has an idiot for a lawyer.
The threat no longer exists 40 minutes after the fact.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/27/unbelievable-video-couple-facing-charges-after-allegedly-threatening-men-with-a-gun-in-road-rage-incident/

Defense Attorney David Wohl pointed out that from Turner’s perspective, the teens tried to run him off the road. “If he reasonably perceives that the kids are assaulting him, his wife, and his small child with a deadly weapon, then he can use deadly force in response.”

 

[JRH6856]

How are they trying to run him off the road when they are stopped in their own driveway? :banghead:

 

[HorseSoldier]

Hopefully the DA won't plead the thing down below a felony conviction so the Turners won't have to worry about where guns fit into their halting attempts to exist in the world.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The linked story is by AOL Autos Staff "Husband And Wife Arrested After Pulling A Gun In Road Rage Fight: Bradley Turner and his wife Christy of La Grange, N.C., are facing charges" 26 Mar 2013.

It includes video and AOL includes the warning: "Warning: Video contains foul language and fighting." The video was shot by someone in the back of the truck.

1. Turner walked up to the parked truck and accused the driver of trying to run him off the road.

If you are not run off the road, you avoid them, report the vehicle and bad driver (if they are a serial bad driver, the police will have multiple complaints and BOLO Be On the Look Out); why would you confront someone if you think they deliberately tried to run you off the road? I remember my Uncle Remus: Brer Rabbit was a fool for kicking the tar baby for dissing him (a trap set by Brer Fox). Road ragers I have read about and a few I have met look for stuff to rage about and are spoiling for a fight (and are often the worst drivers on the road). As someone who has been called for jury duty, which is a pain in the derriere, I would not be kindly disposed toward someone who inserts himself in a potential bad avoidable situation. I like to drive defensively, as tho' I am hauling a load of med-evac through a sky of kamikazes in an unarmed C47; trouble avoidance even if I have a sidearm, trouble avoidance especially when I have a sidearm.

2. The driver and passenger lept out of the vehicle and started beating Turner.

Disparity of numbers: two young men versus an unarmed man equals reasonable fear of severe bodily harm, if not possible death. That is why you avoid situations with multiple stupid people, like punks in a truck. Unless you are punk yourself.

3. The fight stops when the wife came out of the car gun in hand. The truck driver and passengers disperse.

At this point successful self-defense. I would get into the car and extricate myself from a bad situation I put myself into.

4. Wife hands gun to hubby, hubby fires a shot.

Stuck on stupid like most road ragers I have head about. If the attacker(s) runs away, justification for use of further force is gone. Thus saith the Attorney General tape in the class on self defense law required by the state of Tenenssee for a Handgun Carry Permit. Firing a shot at an attacker who is fleeing from the sight of your gun crosses the line from self-defense into criminal behavior: the victim-offender can then return fire if they can get to a gun.

5. The witnesses said the shooting continued after the video ends.

Uh. A witness in the truck was video taping the incident. What is this, some kinda MTV Jackass prank gone horribly wrong? "Hey, let's have some fun with some old fart on the road today and videotape it for laffs and giggles."

A pox on both houses.

 

[kwguy]

Sounds like there were a total of 5 teenage clowns involved in that whole thing.

 

[vito]

And never start a fight with an old man. He won't fight you, he'll just kill you.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The guy should have counted to 100 and gone home.

Right. He had forty minutes to cool off. Sounds like, like most road ragers, he used the forty minutes to work up a bigger rage. And like most road rage types, he's probably pulled in front of other people in his blind spot and thought nothing of it.

I'll play Soup Nazi from Seinfeld, and say, No sympathy for him.

 

[CZguy]

What ever happened to just muttering "danged idiots" and just driving on.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

What ever happened to just muttering "danged idiots" and just driving on.

Exactly. I do that at least twice a day.

 

[jaxbeach904]

1. Those boys are lucky he didnt shoot them 2. He seemed pretty cocky confronting a truck full of young guys all by his lonesome, could it be because he was carrying??? My 1911 is never coming out in the open unless its life or death. Why shoot somebody unless it is absolutely necessary? I carry everywhere but I would NEVER instigate ANYTHING because I know I am armed, and as such, I look to avoid any potential conflict at all costs.

 

[JustinJ]

I've long had a theory that's only been affirmed the older I've gotten that explains these types. I firmly believe that a certain percentage of the population is no more self aware than a cat or dog that go throughout their entire lives merely reacting to outside stimuli through pure emotion with absolutely no higher thought process or reasoning taking place.

My dog is deeply offended as he generally shows much better discretion than the yahoo in this story.

 

[Robert]

We are going round in circles at this point. We can revisit this when more solid information is available.