I’d think a military writer would know better.

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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...h-their-bullets-for-this-new-round-next-year/

I’ve excerpted a sentence from the article.

“Those shooters fired Knight’s Armament’s SR-25, the M110A1 Semi-Automatic Sniper System (based on Heckler & Koch’s G28) and the Mk20 Sniper Support Rifle, made by Fabrique Nationale or FN, in three calibers — 7.62mm NATO, .260 Remington and 6.5mm.”

See an inaccuracy?
 
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Just out of curiosity I sent an Email to the author after posting this thread. He didn’t know the difference between cartridge and caliber and has now changed the sentence in the article. Kind of surprised me how nice he was.
 
ya know i read that like 4 times, and STILL read right over that.

He still left Caliber in when addressing the 6.5 Creedmoor at the top of the article.....but again, I never noticed untill you pointed it out LOL.
 
Ummmm......wasn't the SR25 around BEFORE the HK28 and aren't both basically product improved AR10s?

I am not sure why you would think a military writer, even if one were in the military would be well informed about gun specifics. Sure it would be nice but..... they are writers not gun nuts.

While I was working for Foss I was hired to do gun magazines......and I worked on his black ladies' hair care magazine.....want to guess how much this white cracker gun nut knows about black women's hair care? Well, more now than I did when I started but, ya know?

I actually got my job with Foss by walking into his store front with the latest issue of one of his gun magazines all marked up for technical gun errors and got the (low paying and crappy) job on the spot. Foss for all his failings cared more about my gun knowledge than my ability to spell, besides I was one of the early "pros" to work on a desk top (yea olde 8088) ( and no Foss did not provide it, it was my wife's)and had my spell checker 5 & a quarter floppies close to hand. (I used the hideous IBM Prowrite (It used HUGE floppies in a drive about the size of my current desk top tower), before that in my day job)

I find errors in dedicated gun magazines and print books all the time. Some of my dead tree collection has notations in the margins commenting on errors so that if I sell the book or when my heirs sell the book or donate it to the Friends of the Library the correct data is there. A lot of errors are admittedly printer screw ups with photos and captions. Any time I dealt with "my" printers I had to put my hands in my pockets to prevent the urge to strangle them. They mislabeled an illustration one month that I twice sent "blue copies" (proofs) back on with that corrected and the folks that gave me the basic article and illustration were P.O.ed and I never like having the FBI peeved with me!

Writers are writers, gun nuts are gun nuts, ( and some cops call us Gun Fags BTW) when someone is both it is nice, but guess what? Even the best of us mess up from time to time. Take most University writing positions.....most schools are more interested in your wall paper and where it came from than your base knowledge of the subject or even experience.

Think about this next time you read an article on dead trees or a vid screen of some sort. Just because it gets printed don't make it accurate or even true.

Gosh, some of us even make errors HERE and there ain't nobody here but us.......

-kBob
 
All that is great and good kBob but I’m still surprised it happened. It happens on this site all the time: clip-magazine, caliber-cartridge, and my personal favorite-Creedmore, Creedmoore, Creedmoor. And that’s fine. I just expect more than that from a writer. To his credit Todd said in his Email and I quote:

“I'm not a caliber or ballistics expert so any input is appreciated. Thanks.”

To me that is seriously bada$$.
 
22250Rem,
Naw I am just naturally letter clumbsy.

cdb1,
Yes it is always nice when some one is willing to admit a short coming and actually be thankful for having it pointed out and try to fix it.

Now me I just get angry and defensive and go directly for personal attacks on critics........no not really but that does seem to be the default setting for too many folks.

-kBob
 
kBob said:
22250Rem,
Naw I am just naturally letter clumbsy.

cdb1,
Yes it is always nice when some one is willing to admit a short coming and actually be thankful for having it pointed out and try to fix it.

Now me I just get angry and defensive and go directly for personal attacks on critics........no not really but that does seem to be the default setting for too many folks.

-kBob
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I agree.
 
At one time I wrote outdoor articles for our local newspaper.

The qualifications were that you knew how to write. Much more important than subject knowledge. An editor’s first job is to fill a space that would otherwise be blank
 
cdb1 said:
All that is great and good kBob but I’m still surprised it happened. It happens on this site all the time: clip-magazine, caliber-cartridge, and my personal favorite-Creedmore, Creedmoore, Creedmoor. And that’s fine. I just expect more than that from a writer. To his credit Todd said in his Email and I quote:

“I'm not a caliber or ballistics expert so any input is appreciated. Thanks.”

To me that is seriously bada$$.
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So then what would these be? Would they be clips or magfazines and if they are magazines why did the nice people who made them call them Clips?

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Clearly says "Clip for 225 30-30. They are actually a 4 round detachable magazine for a Savage Model 340 marketed by Western Auto and a few others but manufactured by Savage who clearly calls it a clip. From our friends at American Rifleman Magazine (the paper type magazine). The brief article concludes with:
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The bottom line is that both terms, clip and magazine, are used almost interchangeably today to describe a detachable device for feeding the action of a firearm. Before purists chime in, let me add that back in 1909 and 1910--as the United States was looking at adopting its first self-loading pistol for widespread issue--in U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. documents it referred to the detachable box magazine for what would become the U.S. M1911 pistol as, well, a clip
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". Maybe the nice people at SAAMI can help?
CLIP, CARTRIDGE
See Cartridge Clip.
CARTRIDGE CLIP
A separate cartridge container to hold cartridges or shells in proper sequence for feeding into a specific firearm. It is a magazine charger, and unlike a magazine does not contain a feeding spring. Sometimes improperly called a Magazine.
MAGAZINE
1. A building for the storage of either ammunition or its components.
2. A recepticle for a firearm that holds a plurality of cartridges or shells under spring pressure preparatory for feeding into the chamber. Magazines take many forms, such as box, drum, rotary, tubular, etc. and may be fixed or removable.

redneck2 said:
At one time I wrote outdoor articles for our local newspaper.

The qualifications were that you knew how to write. Much more important than subject knowledge. An editor’s first job is to fill a space that would otherwise be blank
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I like that!

Ron
 
I’m not gonna get in a pi$$ing match with you Reloadron. There are exceptions to every rule and you found a couple that blur the distinction between cartridge and clip.

https://info.stagarms.com/blog/why-you-should-know-the-difference-between-magazines-clips

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...bout-the-difference-and-why-its-important/amp

http://www.gunsandammo.com/gun-culture/9-misused-gun-terms/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(firearms)

I may feel up to a good fight next week but right now my focus is on having the perfect homecoming party for my mother when she gets out of prison tomorrow. Man I’ve sure got a lot of watermelons to spike.
 
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cdb1 said:
I’m not gonna get in a pi$$ing match with you Reloadron. There are exceptions to every rule and you found a couple that blur the distinction between cartridge and clip.

https://info.stagarms.com/blog/why-you-should-know-the-difference-between-magazines-clips

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...bout-the-difference-and-why-its-important/amp

http://www.gunsandammo.com/gun-culture/9-misused-gun-terms/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(firearms)

I may feel up to a good fight next week but right now my focus is on having the perfect homecoming party for my mother when she gets out of prison tomorrow. Man I’ve sure got a lot of watermelons to spike.
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No, I wasn't looking for a pissing contest or an argument. My post was really aimed at humor more than much anything else. I wish you all the best for your mother-in-law's homecoming and by all means enjoy the watermelons.

Ron
 
Reloadron said:
No, I wasn't looking for a pissing contest or an argument. My post was really aimed at humor more than much anything else. I wish you all the best for your mother-in-law's homecoming and by all means enjoy the watermelons.

Ron
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My apology for misinterpretating your post.
 
Art Eatman said:
I was but a child in the WW II era. The grownups used clip and magazine interchangably, although clip was more common--particularly among the "really" old folks. My then-60 grandfather among them. :)
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Yep, most old timers/badass WWII warriors called them clips. I'm not going to argue with them. Anal-compulsive obsessions about absolutely correct terminology is a relatively recent phenomenon.
 
Aw, well. I get a little bit bent when cars and gun-muzzles have breaks. And for loose instead of lose.

But I do get bent when people think that i-t-apostrophe-s is a possessive. No. Wrong. Boo, hiss. "Its" is the possessive. I-t-apostrophe-s is the contraction of "It is."

Grump.

My problem is that I was raised in a family of school teachers. Sorta made me a walking spell-check. But I try not to be a Nazi about it. :D
 
1KPerDay said:
Yep, most old timers/badass WWII warriors called them clips. I'm not going to argue with them. Anal-compulsive obsessions about absolutely correct terminology is a relatively recent phenomenon.
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Back then most of their issue rifles actually used clips, so it's understandable that the term clip would stick with them.
 
Art Eatman said:
But I do get bent when people think that i-t-apostrophe-s is a possessive. No. Wrong. Boo, hiss. "Its" is the possessive. I-t-apostrophe-s is the contraction of "It is."

Grump.

My problem is that I was raised in a family of school teachers. Sorta made me a walking spell-check. But I try not to be a Nazi about it. :D
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My wife just called me on that the other day...admittedly my ability to use spoken language far exceeds my ability to type (and god for bid anyone ever has to try read my hand writing). Perhaps that's (see i CAN do it right) one of the reasons I read right over most mistakes. They sound right in my head so it just flows right by me.

I have much less of an issue with someone heckling me about screwing up grammar, than I do when someone heckles me about saying "clip" instead of mag (or bullet instead of cartridge). So much so that if its done in person, I will smile, say "thank you", and proceed to find the next available opportunity to do it again.
 
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