Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PharmDangerous, Apr 18, 2019.
New Jersey is repressive on private firearms.
You must "demonstrate a need" to get a carry permit and you must have a FPIC license to purchase.
Detachable rifle and pistol magazines are limited to 10 rounds.
Shotguns are limited to 6 rounds.
"Hollow nose" ammunition is restricted.
There is no state preemption, a municipal ordnance can limit you even more.
There are an awful lot of pretty good pistols to choose from. There are Glocks and all the striker fired plastic pistols chasing Glock. I prefer the S&W M&P, the guy I am going to a match with tomorrow shoots Springfield XDs, the guy who makes my holsters is Glock all the way, while my computer and camera reference shoots Walther. The Beretta seems to be displacing the H&K on the Tier One Operator boards, either is fine.
The DA/SA pistols are making a bit of a comeback, especially since Bill Wilson started selling Berettas. I like the Sig Sauers and keep a P226 "around the house."
The nice thing about the S&W is that there is a .22 version and there is a .22 conversion for the P226. "You can learn about 80% of what you need to know with a .22." Jeff Cooper.
Or just buy a good entry level target .22 like Buckmark to start out on. Your wife will thank you.
Don't dismiss the revolver. A practiced double action shooter is very well armed.
Caliber is a question. 9mm is cheap to buy, easy to shoot with a bit of practice. Some say you need a larger caliber like .40 or .45 since hollowpoint bullets and full capacity magazines are restricted in NJ. But that runs up the cost and the kick. Possession of hollowpoints at home is not completely banned but you might want to ask that lawyer what would happen if you shot a home invader with a "dum dum." There are trick bullets made to expand without a hollow point, I don't know how they are considered. You may not have a magazine larger than 10 shots but there is nothing to say you can't keep another gun handy.
No hollow points allowed? 10 round mag limits? No CCW?
I'd suggest trying a .45 or .44 with FMJ for autos or LSWC for revolvers based on those limitations.
Welcome and I wish you luck on your search. One of the hard things about shopping for guns right now is that there are so many good options out there and so much information online that I imagine it would be easy become overwhelmed. It sounds like you are waiting to make a decision until you can handle a couple which is smart. Being able to shoot a couple different guns would also be extremely beneficial if that’s an option for you.
Just to throw a wrench in your search - If I was shopping for a first gun in a state with a 10 round limit I’d be looking at a 1911 or 8 shot S&W 627 in .357 Mag.
Do you have to have your permit before you can even handle or rent a gun in NJ?
Welcome to the forum. I'm not offering any advise in the firearms department as I know nothing of you, your wants and needs, or the laws you have to deal with. Enjoy your youtube quest. I will say that you will find much more that qualifies as horsepucky than useful content in my old and crochety opinion.
In 1911 try a .45ACP, and for a S&W revolver look for a .44 Mag/Spl or .45 Colt since hollow points are verboten in your neck of the woods. .45 ACP full metal jacket(ball) is only a few $ more per box than 9mm Parabellum and about $15 a box(50) less than .44 Spl. or .45 Colt if economics are a concern.
FMJ 9mm Parabellum and .38 Spl FMJ & LRN are notoriously poor performers---which is why 9mm Parabellum was popular for submachine guns(multiple hits) and .38 Spl semi wad cutters were popular with LEOs in the 50s's & 60's(wide meplates.)
The USAF used to issue 130 grain .38 Spl FMJ to their security personnel, where the sorry ballistics were well documented.
The 158 grain lead round nose .38 Spl was nicknamed "Widow maker" by LEOs who were quick to welcome the semi wadcutter version and later the +P hollow point lead wad cutter FBI load when authorized.
With all due respect, this is bad advice. A weapon mounted light increases your advantages against intruders. Searching is not done with the light constantly on. You can always get a second, off weapon light, to illuminate without pointing a firearm at the area you're lighting up. You can also keep the muzzle pointed down and use the splash to illuminate an area. Being able to ID someone as a threat/non-threat in the dark is very important.
Point is, there are ways to use a weapon mounted light to your advantage while minimizing danger to yourself.
I never said anything about hand held flashlights. Pointing a loaded weapon at someone you haven't identified as a threat is what is dangerous, especially in the house where your family lives.
But to each his own.
Exactly. A hand held light should be used in addition go a weapon mounted light.
Exactly. There are simple techniques to use a weapon mounted light to illuminate a room or identify a person or persons in the room without endangering family & friends. If someone doesn't understand how to use a light, hand held or weapon mounted, they should just hunker down and wait for the police to search the house.
A weapon mounted light can be a force multiplier.
imho you cannot go wrong by starting out with a ruger 22 rimfire anygun: 10/22 semiauto rifle. mk4 or 22/45 or sr22 semiauto pistol. single six (both lr and wmr cylinders) or the very new wrangler single action revolver. all are reliable and fun. ruger offers superb customer service. rimfires are a soft way to introduce skeptical family members to the shooting sport and generally fly under the radar of unfree state restrictions. a single action revolver’s manual of arms forces one to slow down and think about shooting fundamentals.
some more thoughts: even before (if ever in nj) getting a ccw permit, get firearms legal cover from uscca or the nra. join the nra or other firearms group, and your state firearms association. take classes, nra pistol and hunter’s education, even if you never get a handgun or hunt. consider how you will get alot of regularly accessible practice within your budget. rimfire is cheap and easy, relying on a shotgun means you should hunt and/or take up sporting clay shooting as many indoor ranges are no-shotgun zones. pick firearms that are easy to fieldstrip and clean. while we live in a polymer semiauto pistol age, there is much good about a simple steel 38sp revolver especially in a people’s republic. i was lucky to start shooting as a kid in a nra rifle club and boy scouts way back in america’s golden age, followed by the army. if i were already an adult starting now i would consider also getting a decent, not cheap, air rifle to learn fundamentals especially if living in a crowded place like nj. i know nothing of air rifles but there are many enthusiasts out there.
very respectfully, i gotta ask: since you decided to ditch ny, why didn’t you move further afield to fully enjoy unfettered 2a rights? nj really isn’t much of an improvement.
I'd recommend you look at a first gun that will allow you to learn and practice basic shooting skills. Then later think about a gun more specialized for home/self defense.
.22lr has been mentioned, but in my day .357mag revolver was highly recommended. its biggest advantage is the breath of ammo, from a lowly 148gr .38spl target rounds to a deer stopping full powered .357mag, and every power level in between.
Since carry isn't an option, I'd think your first semi auto should be full sized steel to give you more weight and less recoil. Stay with 9mm to begin. Look at the CZ-75, a classic da/sa, or a sa, like a 1911. Once you feel comfortable with 9mm in a heavy semi auto, then you could move to .40 or .45 and to polymer guns as you desire.
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