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I am a progressive liberal - I think Obama is as leftist

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by dogngun, Apr 13, 2010.

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  1. dogngun

    dogngun Member

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    as Richard Nixon.

    I am SURE there are other liberals, Democrats and leftists posting here. I want to encourage ALL of you to join the NRA. They need a large leftist component, larger than what they already have, to become voting members and try to restore it to the fine organization it once was.

    I KNOW that at least 50% of all gun owners in the US are liberals, and we have to make our voices heard.

    I have been shooting since I was 10, and I'm going on 63. I served in the Army in the late 1960's (1-504 PIR), and have been licensed to carry a firearm for over 15 years.

    I want all you democrats to join the NRA.
    If you haven't already.

    thanks.

    mark
     
  2. hso

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    Mark,

    Other than "Join the NRA" exactly what sort of plan are you presenting that other members can follow to support RKBA?
     
  3. Husaberg Man

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    Nixon was obviously not a conservative, but to equate Obama's leftisvism to Nixon seems silly.

    What I really want to know though is HOW you "...KNOW that at least 50% of all gun owners in the US are liberals..." I don't really care if you're right or wrong, but I look forward to being entertained by your proof.
     
  4. Robert

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    Being that politics are off limits, is there a plan here? I mean other than join the NRA. How do you plan to go about helping other "leftist" gun owners see the light and join?
    Can you cite your source please?
     
  5. NG VI

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    Good to have you here, there is a conception that being for failed gun control policies is somehow a critical feature of being a liberal, and that is held by people on both sides. In many cases, it isn't inaccurate.

    It's good to see someone not fit the mold for typical flaws of one side.

    You should do what you can to get others of your persuasion who have never shot to the range.
     
  6. BaylorWasted

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    a "progressive" liberal that likes the 2nd Amendment, isn't that an oxymoron? :p

    :D Doesn't matter glad you're here, hopefully there are more leftist that support not only the 2nd Amendment, but the Constitution.
     
  7. oneounceload

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    If you think Obama is a leftist, then you're not.....sounds more like a Libertarian
     
  8. ILikeLead

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    I totally don't believe that 50% of gun owners in the USA are liberals. I think it's more like 10-20 percent.

    I only know 1 liberal gun owner.
     
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    I don't know a single one, although I know quite a few and have invited most to the range regularly...no luck so far, but I'll keep trying.
     
  10. LibShooter

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    The 50% figure may be high... but there are a few of us. As a progressive liberal and card carrying Democrat I feel the best way to advocate for the Right to Keep and Bear arms is to show up and get out of the closet. (or the gun safe? :) )

    At fundraisers or political events, the question of gun control often comes up. I make it point to belly up to those conversations and let my opinions on the Second Amendment be known. They are sometimes surprised to see a guy with donkey buttons expressing pro-gun opinions. However, since we dems really are a big tent, I usually get a fair hearing. Often, some of my fellow pro-gun progressives hear the conversation, puff up their courage and join the discussion.

    I don't know if I'm changing minds, but the talks do offer food for thought.
     
  11. Floppy_D

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    I think hso was hinting that if this doesn't turn activism-oriented (rather than political critiquing) then the thread will be short lived. :)
     
  12. okespe04

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    I encourage every body to join the NRA despite who you voted for.
     
  13. BeerSleeper

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    But, did you KNOW 50% of people make up half the worlds population?

    Did you KNOW there are three kinds of lies? Lies, damned lies, and statistics?

    Glad to see you support 2A. Let's try to do it without making up statistics.
     
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    "I am a progressive liberal - "

    Somehow, I doubt that. At least not as our professional political liberals and progressives consider themselves. And I REALLY doubt that half America's gun owners are liberals in the current sense.

    In fact, MOST conservatives are liberal AND progressive as the dictionary defines the words but that ISN'T the way our reigning political classes think of it; they ARE leftest, statest radicals.
     
  15. gofastman

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    I looked into it(NRA membership), decided its not for me.
     
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    I am a gun totin, Obama votin, liberal that has not joined the NRA

    I believe that Obama's personal views are pretty lefty but I also believe that he knows that he is a representative of those who voted for him and those that did not. the lefty wing-nuts are really upset with him

    He is a high minded idealist and understands fully the intentions of our founding fathers-

    He is acting very moderate, doing what he thinks is best for the American people... No doubt, mistakes will be made but as a US citizen I would rather TRY something and fail rather than do NOTHING and fail-

    I agree that there are many many gun owning liberals, though, they might not be as gun nutty as us THR members who have dozens or hundreds of guns... but they still own a firearm of some kind, for whatever reasons

    I have many liberal customers at my store (university town) one of their biggest turnoffs toward firearm sports is the extreme right tinfoil hat types saying someone oughta go coon hunting in Washington D.C....

    They are right, those anti lefty attitudes do nothing to help our cause... it is a big turn off to me too, but damn... I like guns!


    right wing-nuts... flame away :neener:
     
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    Personally I have severe doubts that the 50% number has any merit at all, if I was going to take a guesstimate I would think it would be more around 15%, having spent over 50 years of my life in Massachusetts, thankfully I eventually came to my senses and moved to Texas. I believe that 15% would be a stretch . When I hear a call for liberals to take part in groups such as the NRA my first thought is that they will want to attempt to change the direction of such a group by starting with grassroots’ efforts. Liberals by nature have no problem being the squeaky wheel and demanding their voices be heard, as an example look at the way they are trying to discredit the Tea Party movement, they just refuse to accept the facts that main stream America does not agree with their policies and agenda. When I look at the so called liberal states I see anti 2nd Amendment laws that are far left of the average states and the NRA is constantly trying to get reasonable legislation passed to no avail. By all means join the NRA, they can use the funding to continue their hard work in full support of our rights, personally I would like to also see this group work on local issues as well, if in fact 50% of gun owners are liberals then I would expect that the laws in Massachusetts and California would be a great place to start, actions speak louder than words...... Everybody needs to be involved on a local level, not just send in a yearly membership fee and read the magazines when they arrive...........
     
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    You.......KNOW!?!
     
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    tea party isnt a squeaky wheel wanting its voice heard?
     
  20. Icewind

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    As a veteran it is my duty to vote republican. But of late I have grown very leary of the gun right. I am cancelling my NRA membership when this year's membership expires. Getting to crazy for my liking
     
  21. kingvillien

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    why, what has the NRA/gun right done?
     
  22. Owen

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    crazy how, Mr 3 posts?
     
  23. mljdeckard

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    How do you come to the conclusion that veterans must be republicans, but the NRA is just crazy? That's a brilliant bit of Kramer logic.
     
  24. outofpractice

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    I think the point to this is that we need to concentrate on a reasonable defense of our rights to the 2nd amendment and that's only going to be secured through some moderation or (gasp) give & take. Is it reasonable to hunt quail with an MG42? Unlikely. Is it reasonable to defend your home with an MG42. Just maybe, if you're anachronistic, have a really good perch, don't mind not moving, & deliberately pissed off all of the street gangs on your way home from work each day for the last month. But if you need an MG42 to defend your home, you probably should have spent more time thinking about how to escape. There's a definition of reasonableness somewhere in here, but I'm too drunk to sort it out.
     
  25. cyclopsshooter

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    outofpractice, to some degree I agree with you that some people dont need certain firearms... personally I do not need a fully automatic weapon... I want one, but dont need it-

    But where this argument fails (especially in the face of some die hards) is that any ban sets precedence for another ban- if we cant have full auto this year, the argument next year will be that we dont need semi auto...
    soon all we will have left would be cap n ball...

    the default setting for gun rights is to give NO ground- and I cant say I disagree with that...
     
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