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I Am Amazed. 3/4" group @ 230 yards.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Patocazador, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. Patocazador

    Patocazador Member

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    I have an older bull-barrel model 77 Ruger in .25-06. My gunsmith friend fluted the barrel for me and I tried out a new long-range (for me) load with 115 Nosler partitions and IMR 4831 powder.

    I taped a target to a discarded freezer 230 yards from my shooting bench and fired a 3-shot group. The group was off the paper high at 12:00. I measured it at 3/4". I was using an old B&L Balvar scope of 2 1/2-8x.

    I'm so excited that I just had to share this.
    No photos so you'll just have to take my word.
     
  2. taliv

    taliv Moderator Staff Member

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    never heard of that scope
     
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  3. redneck2

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    Somewhere I have pix of two consecutive dime size, three shot groups from my Varminter AR, shot at 268 yards.

    Some days everything just falls in line. Some days you can’t hit a barn from the inside
     
  4. dieselchief

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    way cool, congrats. wouldnt it be awesome if you had a fn belgian browning bolt gun to utilize that oldy goody scope?
     
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  5. dranrab

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    You got a good one! That's pretty impressive.
     
  6. taliv

    taliv Moderator Staff Member

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    btw, it is customary to post pics of your group...
     
  7. mshootnit

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    Ruger M77 Hawkeye 100 Meters: Thats a 110 Accubond load. This is a 100% stock rifle, no mods, with I think the first load I tried.
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  8. LoonWulf
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    Nice shooting, i was damn proud of my 3/4" group with my .280 topped with a 3-15 zeiss. Those old balvars were no slouches for the day, but thats impressive.
     
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  10. Offfhand

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    The American made Bausch & Lomb scopes were the best of the best back in the '50's-60's (And also the most expensive, but worth it if you wanted the best.) and still compare well with today's top end scopes for clarity and brightness. Which is why collectors -and users-are paying top dollar for good specimens. I have US made B&L Balvar 8x's on a couple of my hunting rifles: one being this Weatherby .257 Mag and also a Remington 722 .257 Roberts.
    DSC_0246.JPG DSC_0319 (2).JPG .
     
  11. taliv

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    interesting! thanks for the info. I've heard of Bausch & Lomb, but not in a long, long time, and don't remember the balvar name. can't remember ever seeing an external adjustment one. that's pretty sweet. thanks
     
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  12. GooseGestapo

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    In early-mid 60’s-70’s the Bausch&Lomb Balvar was a high end scope. Made in USA.
    Most of us were content with Japanese Bushnell... if we had a scope.

    My first “decent” scope was a Redfield “Widefield” 3-9.
    Weaver was the standard of the day. I soon gravitated to the Leupolds. Still have all but one, and regret letting it get away. (M8 3X with 2moa dot reticle).
    Most have been bought used. Three sent back. Two for reticle change with “refreshing”, the other deemed unrepairable and replaced with a new scope! VariX III 1.5-5x Replaced by VX 3 1.5-5x.
    Leupold even paid return shipping....
     
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  13. Alaskan Ironworker

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    @offhand, is that a mesquite stock on your weatherby?
     
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  14. Howland937

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    20210110_205430.jpg I've got a couple old Bushnell scopes that are stamped BL in an oval on the bottom near the serial number. Was always told those have Bausch&Lomb glass. They're surprisingly clear for a cheaper scope, but not sure if it's true.

    I bought a brand new M77 mk2 in .280 at BPS years ago on clearance for like $289. First 5 shot group with Hornady Custom ammo at 100 measured 3/4". Second group measured 5/8". I went and bought 2 more boxes of Hornady ammo and never attempted to load for it.
     
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  15. 35 Whelen
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    The Bausch & Lomb Balvar scopes were very unique. They had no internal adjustments and were "zeroed" with adjustable mounts. Not only did this make the system extremely rugged, it mean that one could move the scope from one rifle to another without losing zero.
    I have and old Balvar 4X around here some where.

    35W
     
  16. mshootnit

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    Howland WhatCal.?
     
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    Sorry...280 Rem. Edited above.
     
  18. Aletheia

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    An excellent group indicating lots of potential. I don't like being a wet blanket, but before I bragged too much in public about a rifle, I would shoot lots more groups. A 2" rifle can occasionally shoot a 3/4" group just by chance.
     
  19. Patocazador

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    I have 2 B&L 4x scopes. They are called Balfor. The "for" part stands for "four". BALFOR and BALVAR are abbreviations/acronyms for Bausch And Lomb VARiable and Bausch And Lomb FOuR.
     
  20. Steve S.

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    I have a goal of 5 rounds (.308) touching at 200 yards - an arbitrary goal established by the limit (200 yards) of my range. I have come very close (3 rounds touching with 2 others within 1/4” of the main group) but to date, I have not been successful.
    I find that determining the cause of the small spread in such a tight group at such a distance is very hard to determine - me, the rifle, the load or the variables of all three - I would suspect the latter. I certainly understand your excitement.
     
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  21. Walkalong

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    Bosch & Lomb Balvar rings a bell with, from way back when B&L made scopes
     
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  22. Walkalong

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    Ah, well there ya go.

    Balfor to me means an old Sako barrel steel, or I could be remembering that wrong too
     
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  23. 35 Whelen
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    Ahh...thanks for the clarification!

    35W
     
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  24. Bob Willman

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    I have a B&L Balvar 8A, purchased in the 1970s, that is shared between a Ruger #! in 300 Win Mag and a Sporterised Mauser 98 in 30-06. Due to the different actions I have a separate leaf spring for each rifle to hold the scope into the adjustable V grooves in each mount. It takes less than a minute to move the scope from one rifle to the other.

    Bob
    WB8NQW
     
  25. bfoosh006

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    A tiny group is always something to be proud of !!

    Enjoy it for what it is !

    Lol, the toughest part is doing it again !!
     
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