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I am purchasing a Remington - 700 SPS Tactical chambered in .308 what scope to buy???

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Hans1944, Dec 15, 2009.

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  1. Hans1944

    Hans1944 Member

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    Title pretty much says it all. I want a mil-dot scope that is field tested and proven, and built to take a beating in the field. Looking around the 500 dollar mark but that is negotiable. Thanks for any help.
     
  2. Robert

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    Simply put, the best one you can afford. $500 will get you into the range of the Burris XTR line. http://www.burrisoptics.com/xtrtactical1.html
    I have not used one but I know a guy who runs one on his AR for 3 Gun and loves it. Optics Planet (not an endorsement, just a quick Google search) has them for $770
    http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-3x-12x-50mm-xtr-xtreme-tactical-riflescope.html
    Long range tactical rifle scopes usually go for much more than $500. My brother uses a Leupold Mk4 ERT on his .308 that set him back $1400. Good optics are worth every penny and can make or break a rifle. But that is just my opinion.
     
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    My buddy has a Nikon Target model on his, don't recall if it's a 6.5-20x or what, but it's a good fit and the gun shoots superb.
     
  4. David Sours

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    i just purchased the Bushnell 4200 Elite 6-24x50 30mm tube with the tactical turrets. I am very pleased with this scope and would buy it again. I spent 559.00 for the scope + tax. There is a very accurate review of the scope on the snipers hide page. Or you can just google the scope brand and model to find it. Again, very pleased with the scope. I have two other Leupold Scopes one VX-3 and on Vari-X 3 and the Bushnell is right there with them on clarity and pretty close on light gathering ability. Bushnell also makes a Tactical in the 3200 Elite series that is a little cheaper but I have no experience with them.

    Good Luck,
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  5. USSR

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    Hans1944,

    Whatever scope you finally go for, make sure you buy a 20MOA picatinny rail to put it on.

    Don
     
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    You only have to worry about that if you're going to be shooting in the 1k neighborhood.
     
  7. USSR

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    Why buy a .308 and then eliminate the possibility of taking that shot?

    Don
     
  8. Ridgerunner665

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    Don is right...on both accounts.

    The average "decent" 1 inch tube scope will get you to 700 yards with the SPS Tactical...say 23 MOA or so of scope adjustment. (that is "up" adjustment, however much "down" adjustment it has is irrelevant)

    You're gonna need nearly twice that amount to reach 1K yards...

    At the very least, a 308 should be set up to reach 800 yards...may as well get the other 200 yards while you're at it. Some of the better 30mm tube scopes will get you to 800 yards if mounted flat...but like he said, why rule out the possibility?

    I just sold my SPS Tactical...not because I didn't like it...I didn't need it.

    I had a Leupold Mark II 6-18x40mm AO on it...if you're interested I'll sell you that scope for $550 (about $100 cheaper than a new one...depending on where you find it)

    56 MOA of elevation adjustment total...700 yards without a base to add some MOA (or you could cheat and use the Mil-dots like I did)
     
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  9. Victor1Echo

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    This is the question I wanted to post. I would go with Ridge's advice, as he has invested a lot of time in this rifle.
     
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    +1:cool:
     
  11. Ridgerunner665

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    Those Bushnell scopes are OK...but the 30mm tubes are only for looks, unless Bushnell has changed them...they don't have anymore adjustment than your average 1 inch tube (and in some cases...not as much)

    IIRC...they have 44 MOA of total adjustment, that might get you to 650 yards or so with the SPS Tactical...if it zeroes with the crosshair in the center if the adjustment range (<<< don't bet on that happening with any scope that costs less than an arm and a leg)

    Again...the Bushnell scopes will do the job nicely, I'm just saying the 30mm tubes are more for looks on those particular scopes.

    All of the above about the Bushnell scope is a moot point with a 20 MOA canted base...but its worth mentioning.
     
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    Yeah, never understood why the Bushnell's have such limited W&E adjustment.

    Don
     
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    nikon, pentax, hakko, burris, supersniper. all should be good for less than 500 bucks; I'll throw in with a bushnell 6500 by the way, should get you all the adjustment you need for 1000yd shooting.

    Oh yeah, can't forget the Weaver stuff, always good, and the higher end stuff is great, and the new 40-44's are fantastic for the money. And of course they use japanese glass, which is allways good.
     
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    Exactly! Don't let the fat girl fool ya, many 30mm tubes use 1" erector assemblies..what you get is no more, and sometimes less, adjustment than a 1" tube scope.

    +1 Ranger on the Weaver stuff, since Weavers 'upgrade', if you will, they have been turning out some really excellent product, not that the old Weaver was bad or anything, just that the new stuff is fantastic for the money! We can not keep any of the Weaver line in stock anymore! Stuff sells like thirty cent gasoline!

    The 44/40 line is the old, now discontinued Intensity(Federal/ATK) line but with some improvements.

    The Burris XTR line is...Good, well, I don't think much of it, but the customers that buy them, love them. Haven't had to send any Burris stuff back for a while...amazing, I know!

    Nikon... The Monarch is excellent, and if you can swing it, the Monarch Gold is even better. BUT do not be fooled by the Monarch Tactical line...it ain't all that and the price is waaay up there!

    Don't leave out good ol' Leupold...some smokin' deals on the old VX-III, if you can still find them..CDNN had some left at a ridiculously low price(retail).

    You'll just have to shop around with a maximum price your willing to pay and see what's out there...come back let us know what you found and then we'll be better able to help.
     
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    check out the Millett TRS and LRS. seems to meet all of your criteria including costs.

    Bobby
     
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    How can one answer this question without knowing on which targets and at what distances one will use the rifle? Scope choices are all about the shooting one does.

    The last .308 I scoped is a Ruger Mark II Frontier and it got a Leupold 1.5-5X VX-3 because it gets used on deer with shots under 150 yards. That little scope is perfect for that little rifle. The .308 before that is a 700 5-R that gets used on paper and deer at longer ranges, and it now wears a Leupold 10X Mark 4.
     
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    farscott

    farscott... good point, I intend to use it for hunting large game... and a zombie apocalypse if it happens lol.

    Another question I have is what type of range can this weapon reach out to with a scope accurately and consistently? What point does the .308 round begin to lose its effectiveness? (I know this may seem like very basic questions, but I have no experience with precision rifles or .308)

    I dont know much about optics, but again I definitively want a Mil-Dot reticule, and I already know that they can be difficult to use but I am getting that taken care of.

    What is a good range for this weapon to be effective?

    Thanks for all the help so far everyone.
    Hans
     
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    for humane game kills, i don't think i would push it much past 300 yards. military snipers use it out to 800-ish yards on bad guys. for paper punching, 1,000 yards isn't out of the question at all.

    Bobby
     
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    Depends upon the bullet and load you are using. The 175SMK at 2650 - 2750fps used to be the load for shooting out to 1,000 yards. In recent years, it has been replaced by the 155gr Scenar at 2900 - 2950fps. Another load is the excellent 190SMK at 2650 - 2700fps. None of these are commercial loads, and are the result of judicious handloading.

    Don
     
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    Any reason you want a Mildot reticle?

    If your distances are known, plinking at the range a MD reticle isn't necessary. You'll want a scope that has consistent tracking and repeatability. A few come to mind.

    Leupold Mark 2, comes in MD
    Super Sniper 3-9x, comes in MD
    Bushnell 3200,4200, or 6500, also comes in MD

    You can save money going with a regular duplex. If you insist on having something besides duplex, get a reticle that matches your turrets.
     
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    For large game hunting, I would consider a low power variable like a 1.5-5X, a fixed-power 4X, a fixed-power 6X, or a fixed power 10X. I tend to lean toward the lesser powers, especially for big game, as a 6X at 300 yards provides a great sight picture on a deer. After all, a 6X at 300 yards is like the naked eye at 50 yards. I can see a deer's vitals just fine at 50 yards without a scope, so a 6X at 300 yards is enough magnification for me.

    I really like the Leupold line of scopes, both for the lifetime warranty and the durability. There is better glass out there, but Leupold stands behind their product. I like the old M8 4X and M6 6X scopes, and these are available used. I am looking for an old M8 3X for a light rifle.
     
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    I definitely want to be able to shoot a playing card consistently at 1,000 meters. Ive been looking around and I really like the Leupold MK IV, I also did some research on the Konus M-30 Tactical any thoughts on Konus? The price was kind of low which raised some speculation but Ive heard nothing negative of them. They seem to be a fairly new/unheard of company. Thanks again
     
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