I am purchasing a Remington - 700 SPS Tactical chambered in .308 what scope to buy???

[ArmedBear]

I definitely want to be able to shoot a playing card consistently at 1,000 meters.

A few questions you might want to ask, before "what scope?"

Do you realize that would mean a rifle and load that shot consistent ragged one-hole groups at 200 meters, with no flyers?

What kind of reloading setup or budget for reloading equipment do you have?

How much do you have budgeted for gunsmithing?

Do you realize that, with a scope, this will be a 13-pound rig?

What kind of hunting do you plan to do with that?

 

[RobMoore]

It takes more than money to get 1/4 moa groups.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

That is a fact...

I think the OP should hunt slightly larger prey at 1,000 yards...old car hoods are a good place to start.

 

[ArmedBear]

It takes more than money to get 1/4 moa groups.

LOL That's certainly true.

But without the right rifle and loads to start with, you can kiss off hitting playing cards at 1000 meters, even from a gun vise bolted to a concrete foundation with no wind.

 

[RobMoore]

Old car hoods, I like that idea. I wonder what the scrap yard charges. Even if that turns out to be too big of a target, you can affix smaller things to it.

 

[joed]

Before you buy a scope you need to ask yourself what you intend to use the rifle for. If hunting a 3x9 will suffice. If serious target work you want a good target scope.

I have used Leupold scopes for over 30 years and have no complaints about them. Recently started buying Weaver T (Target Scopes) and they seem fine too, but I don't have a lot of use on these yet.

I can't comment on to many other scopes. The only advice I'll give you is to not buy cheap or you'll regret it. One rifle I bought used came with a Simmons, it hurt my eyes to use it. I replaced it quickly and would never own another Simmons.

I've found that a good scope costs just about as much as the rifle it's mounted on. To sum up purchasing a scope there is a saying my father used to have.

"If you want nice clean oats you must pay a fair price. If you can be satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse those come a lot cheaper".

 

[K_Dubbya]

My budget for reloading wouldn't be an issue, the card idea may be a little far-fetched. I was mainly looking for something that "could" pull off a shot like that. I intend to hunt large game, but mostly target shooting. Ive heard from different sources that a 1,000 meter shot with the .308 700 with a decent grouping is a very do-able task. But as I haven't much experience with precision shooting I really do not know.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

The 308 will do 1,000 yards...but it ain't easy.

With a baseline rifle such as the one you have...a 10 inch group at 1,000 yards is a damn good one. (that is a sub MOA group for that range)

 

[Ridgerunner665]

And by the way...I still have that Leupold Mark II scope for sale I might even take a little less than I previously asked for it...maybe.

 

[semperfi63]

A playing card at 1000 wow. Well I guess we all need goals. That is serious sub 1/2 MOA.. I think I would wait until the playing card gets to within 500 that is still sub MOA.

 

[Uncle Mike]

I definitely want to be able to shoot a playing card consistently at 1,000 meters.

That's a pretty tall beer to pour...and you bought a Remington 700 SPS-T, did ya?

$500...... Sightron SII Tactical.

 

[blackops]

i just purchased the Bushnell 4200 Elite 6-24x50 30mm tube with the tactical turrets

I like the scope too and was debating the purchase, but even with a 20moa picatinny base you get around 50moa of adjustment range out of the scope. Displeasing for a 30mm tube. It bottoms out at 100 and is very questionable to 1k.

Don is right...on both accounts.

Don is always right. I'm waiting for him to be wrong once

Bottom line is I've been through exactly what you are going through right now. Actually I'm near the end of the line on the deal. I almost went with the Konus and would of if it wasn't for the 1/8 clicks. Same with Sightron. If you don't mind 1/8 clicks I would advise Sightron. All the guys I've spoken to that actually regularly shoot LR have mentioned them if your on a budget. After hours of trying to find the knobs on the Leupold Mark 2's I found the windage knob to be inconvenient and can’t be viewed from being positioned behind the rifle. Also no side parallax adjustment. Tactical scopes are far different from your average hunting scope. A lot more technical options are available. It's hard to find a decent scope for a decent price with all the options a tactical scope offers. In the end I would like a NF or a S&B, but that isn't going to fly with my wallet right now. I researched thoroughly and came up with the Wonders 4X14X50. I'm not a fan of dots in my reticule either so this was perfect. The owner is very nice guy and offers top notch customer service. If you have issues he will accommodate you quickly. In the end I went ahead and spent more on the rifle. I can update the glass later if need be.

 

[laanguiano]

My Scope Experience:
Bushnell Legend 5-15x Variable
Bushnell 3200 10x Fixed
Bushnell 4200 6-24 Variable
Nikon Monarch 4-16SF Variable

The Nikon has been my favorite. Very clear glass, very bright, love the adjustments and side focus. Very smooth and positive clicks. You dont get much MOA Adjustment, but with a 20MOA base it will get you out to 1000 yds. The Bushnell 4200 comes in a close second but it was rediculously long and heavy, and your eye sweetspot is small to see a full unobstructed view as compared to the Nikon.

My Suggestions in your price range . Nikon Monarch, Sightron III, Bushnell 4200, Vortex Viper.

 

[ArmedBear]

I think I would wait until the playing card gets to within 500 that is still sub MOA.

Sub-1/2 MOA. A standard poker card is 2 1/2" across, and he said "consistently".

 

[Geno]

Easy decision to make. Quite a few fellas around here use this scope to 1,000 yards. This is my planned set-up for my own M700 SPS Tactical in .308:

$499.99 -- Leupold FX-3 Target Rifle Scope 12x 40mm Adjustable Objective Fine Duplex Reticle Matte
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=115671
Specification per Leupold: http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-...fx-3-riflescopes/fx-3-12x40mm-adj-obj-target/

$124.99 -- Leupold 1" Mark 4 Picatinny-Style Rings Matte Medium
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=987843

$96.99 -- Leupold (20 MOA) 1-Piece Mark 4 Picatinny-Style Scope Base (8-40 Adaptable) Remington 700 Short Action Matte
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=315661

Geno

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Start with the playing card at 100yds. You can move it out further as you progress. The rifle will shoot more accurately than you will for a while.

 

[semperfi63]

Sub-1/2 MOA. A standard poker card is 2 1/2" across, and he said "consistently".

AB but it is close to 5 inches high isn't it? so top to bottom would be 1 MOA at 500, I agree 1/2 MOA across at 500 -- anyhow still a darn difficult shot

 

[Gordon]

"I definitely want to be able to shoot a playing card consistently at 1,000 meters."

Glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read the joke of the day,My goodness friend go to the 200 yard range and get in touch with reality!

 

[ArmedBear]

2 1/2" wide x 3 1/2" high.

ISO 216 B8

No ****.

Considering the issues with drop at that distance, I think you'd have an even harder time hitting 2 1/2" vertical than you would 2 1/2" horizontal. Unless there is any wind.

 

[smcweaver]

I have a Burris black diamond 6-24 with warne 20moa base and warne tactical rings and I can punch holes in paper plates at 800yds all day with that same gun

 

[Chief Engineer]

Well, if you ever get to the point of hitting that card consistantly, you will succede in cutting the light rifle, world record, in less than half. Good luck with that.

 

[blackops]

Chief pretty much said it all there...good luck. haha

 

[K_Dubbya]

Haha yeah I know a playing card at a 1000 is, to say the least a little far fetched. Again I just meant something that "could" achieve that.

I also bought my base mounts today from Cabelas. They are Weaver 36M (rear and front). I dont know much about mounting scopes either. Are these good mounts? They were only 5.99 each and that raised a flag.

 

[dubbleA]

I also bought my base mounts today from Cabelas. They are Weaver 36M (rear and front). I dont know much about mounting scopes either. Are these good mounts? They were only 5.99 each and that raised a flag.

Nothing against the weaver bases you purchased but there are many that are available that are better suited for stretching the distance.

They are a canted type base, by that I mean they are made in a way that they make your scope slope forward thus adding elevation travel for your scope. While there are 2 piece versions I much prefer the 1 piece base to help with alignment These can be had in 10, 20, 30, 40 MOA. Some, but certainly not all to look at are Badger, Seekins, Near, Farrell, USO and Leupold. I'll take a steel base over an aluminum also.

 

[blackops]

You get what you pay for and that's the case 99% of the time. I believe this is an example of that same scenario.