I am sick of "Tactical" "Combat" and "Assault"
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Mannlicher
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One thing worth bearing in mind is that the mall ninjas and the newbie CCW crowd come to the whole gun scene berift of knowledge, or precident. They know what they read in SWAT, or Guns&Ammo.
Savy marketers are hired by business men in the firearms and related gear industy to help make a profit. Thats what 'bidnez' is all about. The marketing panders to this audiences lack of knowledge and lack of background in the subject.
I don't worry about it, and I dont read the gun mags. I don't buy tactical crap, heck, I don't even wear camo when hunting. I guess taking a lot of deer wearing jeans and Woolrich shirts ruined me.
Savy marketers are hired by business men in the firearms and related gear industy to help make a profit. Thats what 'bidnez' is all about. The marketing panders to this audiences lack of knowledge and lack of background in the subject.
I don't worry about it, and I dont read the gun mags. I don't buy tactical crap, heck, I don't even wear camo when hunting. I guess taking a lot of deer wearing jeans and Woolrich shirts ruined me.
Mannlicher, I don't wear camo for the deer, the Woolrich works. I wear camo for the hunters. I feel sooo much better when I'm just not seen at all.
HS/LD I dunno, it's not the words themselves that annoy most, it's how they are used to appeal to people that for lack of a better word are posers. Said posers then bandy about those words to:
1. Impress women
2. Impress friends
3. Appear cool
4. Appear tactical
3+4 = tacticool
The guns and nylon pouches are no better, they just sell better to people who are legends in their own mind. The fact that people with that restricted of a thought process own guns disturbs me.
Again, This whole thread reminds me why I will never buy anything advertised by Pyramont, no matter how neat the product may be.
HS/LD I dunno, it's not the words themselves that annoy most, it's how they are used to appeal to people that for lack of a better word are posers. Said posers then bandy about those words to:
1. Impress women
2. Impress friends
3. Appear cool
4. Appear tactical
3+4 = tacticool
The guns and nylon pouches are no better, they just sell better to people who are legends in their own mind. The fact that people with that restricted of a thought process own guns disturbs me.
Again, This whole thread reminds me why I will never buy anything advertised by Pyramont, no matter how neat the product may be.
Bob Thompson
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For anybody that remembers I believe marketing created from Winchester the Black Talon pistol bullet. Hollywierd portrayed it as a cop killer "will go through a bullet proof vest like a hot knife through butter" and the antis jumped on that with full assult to ban it as just that. Winchesters marketing pulled it from shelves only to bring basically the same bullet back as the Fail safe and the antis were satisfied. What a difference a word or two make.
Waitone
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Just a few ideas as to what's going on.
"Meatball marketing"--yea, "tactical // black // ninja // etc" is cool! Let's go with it.
"Halo marketing"--you know our stuff is good because an unnamed government agency uses it. Our product can be soaked in chicken manure for years and still function properly.
"Me, too, less five" marketing--I got what you want, we just charge 5% less. We sell direct and cut out the middleman.
"Everyone else is doing it so we have to do it" marketing--we gotta have tactical // black // ninja // etc. because everyone else has it.
These strategies are off the top of my head. All have one common characteristic: They all ignore the environment in which products are sold. Anti's spent years figuring a way to harass and destroy the gun industry in the US. Now we have a series of lawsuits filed claiming the gun industry incited violence by virture of is marketing. This tactic was developed in the tobacco suits which proved to be successful. Litigation attorneys now apply the same tactics to gun manufacturers. Know what? I think they'll be successful at some level.
Meanwhile, gun types are oblivious to the impending assault. If I ran the marketing shop at some of these manufacturers, I'd be bustin' buttons to change the focus.
"Meatball marketing"--yea, "tactical // black // ninja // etc" is cool! Let's go with it.
"Halo marketing"--you know our stuff is good because an unnamed government agency uses it. Our product can be soaked in chicken manure for years and still function properly.
"Me, too, less five" marketing--I got what you want, we just charge 5% less. We sell direct and cut out the middleman.
"Everyone else is doing it so we have to do it" marketing--we gotta have tactical // black // ninja // etc. because everyone else has it.
These strategies are off the top of my head. All have one common characteristic: They all ignore the environment in which products are sold. Anti's spent years figuring a way to harass and destroy the gun industry in the US. Now we have a series of lawsuits filed claiming the gun industry incited violence by virture of is marketing. This tactic was developed in the tobacco suits which proved to be successful. Litigation attorneys now apply the same tactics to gun manufacturers. Know what? I think they'll be successful at some level.
Meanwhile, gun types are oblivious to the impending assault. If I ran the marketing shop at some of these manufacturers, I'd be bustin' buttons to change the focus.
Hawk
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We have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo
/***Newbie rant on ***/
I have been in the habit of explaining to an anti or a fence-sitter that the 1994 "Assault weapons ban" redefined an "assault weapon" - that which was previously defined as "select fire" is now defined as "evil looking".
None of the "assault weapons" named in the ban are actually assault weapons - they (assault weapons) were already impossibly difficult to obtain (or at least pay for) since the NFA of 1934.
So, I tend to believe that some marketing dweeb insisting on tagging the term "assault" on my SEMI-auto is doing his or her utmost to insure that the 1994 ban does NOT sunset gracefully - I mean, just look at all that "assault / tactical / sniper" stuff that's out there. Sarah and Tom gotta be loving this.
Anyhow, being bent on being part of the problem rather than part of the solution, I have recently placed an order for an "assault" flashlight.
Don't believe it? check the following for a description...
http://www.onestopknifeshop.com/store/surefire-special-operations-lights.html
Spec Ops? Assault?!
When it (the flashlight) shows up, should I like it as much as I think I will, I'll start looking for a "tactical / spec ops" sheath and maybe even some "mil-spec/ tactical" batteries.
/***Rant off ***/
/***Newbie rant on ***/
I have been in the habit of explaining to an anti or a fence-sitter that the 1994 "Assault weapons ban" redefined an "assault weapon" - that which was previously defined as "select fire" is now defined as "evil looking".
None of the "assault weapons" named in the ban are actually assault weapons - they (assault weapons) were already impossibly difficult to obtain (or at least pay for) since the NFA of 1934.
So, I tend to believe that some marketing dweeb insisting on tagging the term "assault" on my SEMI-auto is doing his or her utmost to insure that the 1994 ban does NOT sunset gracefully - I mean, just look at all that "assault / tactical / sniper" stuff that's out there. Sarah and Tom gotta be loving this.
Anyhow, being bent on being part of the problem rather than part of the solution, I have recently placed an order for an "assault" flashlight.
Don't believe it? check the following for a description...
http://www.onestopknifeshop.com/store/surefire-special-operations-lights.html
Spec Ops? Assault?!
When it (the flashlight) shows up, should I like it as much as I think I will, I'll start looking for a "tactical / spec ops" sheath and maybe even some "mil-spec/ tactical" batteries.
/***Rant off ***/
Let's not be so hard on the ad-men ...
I mean really. Whose gonna buy a gun that is advertised as having a "user friendly" cocking action with a "maintenance free" magazine and "ergonomic" "machine washable" pistol grips in your choise of "pastel" or "dayglo" colours?? I'll settle for my ole' tactical-black-combat-full-auto-armour-piercing-pistol-grip-folding-stock-high-capacity-extended-magazine-multi-barrel-suppressed-bayonet-lugged-law-enforcement-assault-Remington-870-turbo!!!
(with a compass and a thing that tells time from the sun in the stock...)
I mean really. Whose gonna buy a gun that is advertised as having a "user friendly" cocking action with a "maintenance free" magazine and "ergonomic" "machine washable" pistol grips in your choise of "pastel" or "dayglo" colours?? I'll settle for my ole' tactical-black-combat-full-auto-armour-piercing-pistol-grip-folding-stock-high-capacity-extended-magazine-multi-barrel-suppressed-bayonet-lugged-law-enforcement-assault-Remington-870-turbo!!!
(with a compass and a thing that tells time from the sun in the stock...)
Freedom in theSkies
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C'mon now Autolite, you can't have one of those...You'll shoot yer eye out.
sixgun_symphony
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There are alot of firearms described as "sporting", "hunting", or "target".
Whats wrong with describing guns made for fighting?
Whats wrong with describing guns made for fighting?
twoblink
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Let me try to interpret:
Tactical = 50% markup; Skunk will buy it.
Combat = I saw a picture of someone using it while he/she was wearing camo
Assault = We like it, but we don't think the leftists will like it.
Subsonic = we have no clue the speed of sound, and we venture to guess you don't either, so we will insert this word (as per recommendation of the marketing team) in hopes that it sells more guns/ammo.
MilSpec = a guy behind the gun counter who claims he was in 'Nam before, had used it.
Hunting = I saw a picture of said item next to a deer before
Sport = overly laddened with extras that you don't need but we want to sell you
Target = something you bought which won't help you shoot any better and is money spent that you otherwise could have used on real training which WOULD help you shoot better
Any and all of these words, when used; also means you can't own it in Australia, England, or the PRNJ.
There, now are we all clear?
Tactical = 50% markup; Skunk will buy it.
Combat = I saw a picture of someone using it while he/she was wearing camo
Assault = We like it, but we don't think the leftists will like it.
Subsonic = we have no clue the speed of sound, and we venture to guess you don't either, so we will insert this word (as per recommendation of the marketing team) in hopes that it sells more guns/ammo.
MilSpec = a guy behind the gun counter who claims he was in 'Nam before, had used it.
Hunting = I saw a picture of said item next to a deer before
Sport = overly laddened with extras that you don't need but we want to sell you
Target = something you bought which won't help you shoot any better and is money spent that you otherwise could have used on real training which WOULD help you shoot better
Any and all of these words, when used; also means you can't own it in Australia, England, or the PRNJ.
There, now are we all clear?
sixgun_symphony
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All Clear 
Double Naught Spy
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The sad thing about tactical, combat, and assault is that nobody even seems to know what they mean anymore. I would add to that CQB or CQC for close quarters battle or combat. If a term gets used in a wrong manner long enough, the newer use becomes another accepted definition or valid use. Buying anything called "tactical" doesn't mean it is or that you are. As well as I understand it, tactical is all about application and as such, just about any product can be used in a tactical manner.
I am sick of hearing "one ragged hole," "tack driver," gun evaluations that are glowing that say things like "I have over 600 rounds through my gun and it has been flawless. I would not hesitate to reccomend this gun to anyone," etc. I would be more impressed with one smooth hole. No one ever drove tacks with a gun, right? As far as glowing evaluations, if the gun has less than 5000 rounds through it, it is still pretty much brand new in terms of mechanical wear and tear and so glowing reviews below that level really aren't telling us much other than the gun isn't screwed up.
I am sick of hearing "one ragged hole," "tack driver," gun evaluations that are glowing that say things like "I have over 600 rounds through my gun and it has been flawless. I would not hesitate to reccomend this gun to anyone," etc. I would be more impressed with one smooth hole. No one ever drove tacks with a gun, right? As far as glowing evaluations, if the gun has less than 5000 rounds through it, it is still pretty much brand new in terms of mechanical wear and tear and so glowing reviews below that level really aren't telling us much other than the gun isn't screwed up.
Some folks view this wording as having some real meaning. I was talking with a USMC Scout/Sniper night before last who is getting ready for the Mid-east (originally scheduled to sail on the 1-13) who said he'd been running all over town upgrading his gear since USMC issue was cheap and not very "tactical." It addition to 4 gilly suits he mentioned getting a new canteen cover, socks, and gloves. He said most of the gear in his 22 man platoon was similarly upgraded.
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does this qualify as tactical?
spacemanspiff
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i dont think so.... a lot more gear could be strapped on, maybe 5 more magazines, a folder, flashlight, spare batteries for the flashlight, a leatherman, portable cleaning kit, hydration system, and at least one of them should have a long rifle of some sort, or at the least a shottie.
the bodysuit is just the base for being tactical. just like long underwear is the base for preparing a stint in cold weather.
the bodysuit is just the base for being tactical. just like long underwear is the base for preparing a stint in cold weather.
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Someone mentioned tactical lever guns...heres one for ya
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Barrel length, 14 3/8 inches, stock cut off at the pistol grip, big loop lever, ghost ring sights, chambered in 457 magnum, Laser Light mount attached and a Insight Technologies M6 laser/illuminator attached.
Barrel length, 14 3/8 inches, stock cut off at the pistol grip, big loop lever, ghost ring sights, chambered in 457 magnum, Laser Light mount attached and a Insight Technologies M6 laser/illuminator attached.
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