I am soo mad (California sucks)

[Old Fuff]

O.K., so just what would you like the rest of us too do? We can send letters and e-mail messages to your state legislators, but frankly the anti-gun ones will just be ammused. They are well aware that Arizona residents can't vote them out of office. Send money? To who, and how much good will it do? Exactly how are you going to turn things around when the coastal county Democrats have you far outnumbered? Is there a viable game plan that can turn things around?

Oh, and to add insult to injury, now California liberals are moving into Arizona in record numbers, which is what we don't need. We would be happy to send them all back in exchange for gun owners, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Outside of gun-laws, name one thing that MI has going for it.
IMO: California > Michigan or Wisconsin

MI and WI have a lower cost of living, cheaper gasoline, are more moderate politically, have lower property taxes, have cheaper insurance rates, lower sales tax rate. The hunting laws are a lot better, there is a better variety of game to hunt, seasons are longer. WI has a more stable economy than either MI or CA. I can hunt with projectiles containing lead. My ammunition isn't required to contain a serial number, like CA's recently passed legislation that goes into effect, when, 2009? 2010? Good luck getting that repealed.

Gun laws are a very big part of where I live. That trumps California big time. I like having 20 and 30 rd mags for my AR15. I like being able to attach a flash suppressor, folding stock, and bayonet on my weapons. I like that I don't have to see if a gun I want is on an approved list. I like the fact that when I open carry no one calls the cops or hits the deck. People look at you weird if you DON'T own a gun.

WI is very NFA friendly as you can own anything, the only problem is no concealed carry. MI is more limited with just machine guns and AOWs (suppressors are coming soon).

Guns represent freedom. The less gun laws, the more freedom. That applies to many other freedoms as well.

 

[Matt King]

There's a reason MI has a lower cost of living; MI doesn't have much.
You would decide where to live based on whether or not u can have 30 round mags for your AR? Cali has great weather, some of the nicest scenery in the US, surfing, snowboarding, skiing, great restaurants, etc. All those things make Cali a much nicer place to live than MI.

 

[Marshall]

OK, maybe the original poster should have titled the thread:

"I Am So Mad Because The Leftist Liberals That Run The State Of California Suck And So Do Those That Support Them".

Assuming a 40 million people state, that should cover the politicians and well over 20 million people. Kinda a long title to a thread but I guess it's not as offensive.

 

[TAB]

. The hunting laws are a lot better, there is a better variety of game to hunt, seasons are longer. WI has a more stable economy than either MI or CA. I can hunt with projectiles containing lead. My ammunition isn't required to contain a serial number, like CA's recently passed legislation that goes into effect, when, 2009? 2010? Good luck getting that repealed.

have you ever hunted in CA?


the bullet seralization crap has not been passed


The lead ammo ban is a very small area, guess what, in 25 years, all hunting ammo will have to be lead free...every where. Trust me, its been coming for a long time.

 

[Old Fuff]

Like most people, I'm not going to base my entire living situation on where the gun laws are friendliest. There are other factors that are equal to if not more important to my wife and I with regard to where we live, beyond finding a state with the absolute best gun laws. You still have to make a living, sometimes go where the job openings are within your company, and deal with other nuances of life above and beyond guns.

Now... seeing as it is lunchtime here on the West Coast, I am off to enjoy a nice glass of Cabernet and a plate of spaghetti all'aglio on the sidewalk. Maybe I'll stroll along the coast and watch the ships after that. It's a lovely 59 degrees outside. I like it here.

Yup, I understand that. But if you choose to live in any of the 50 states some bad goes with the good. In the case of California part of the picture is a left-wing, all intrusive, dictate everything government. They don't believe in individual freedoms of any kind, and are out to eliminate all of the firearms they can. Gun-rights are only a small part of the picture, but it's the one we tend to notice.

What you seem to be saying is that life is so good that gun ownership is almost inconsequental. Personally it will take a lot more then, "a nice glass of Cabernet and a plate of spaghetti all'aglio on the sidewalk" to compromise any of my rights.

 

[trbon8r]

O.K., so just what would you like the rest of us too do?

Having been on the California side of the fence I don't think California gun owners are asking gun owners in other states to do anything. The only exception might be a request to turn down the sarcasm and smartass comments, because it gets tiresome to listen to when you are writing letters and fighting for your rights as best you can. The only other thing I can think of is to stop blaming Californians for all the homegrown problems in other states. You all have your share of left wing kooks, and they didn't all come from California. This isn't directed at you Old Fuff, I'm just talking in general here.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Yes, gun laws are important to me. They are the deciding factor and usually the most important factor to consider when moving. Specifically, CA, NY, MD, DE, RI, MA, ME, CT, and NJ are states that I will never visit nor move to simply because of their gun laws. If my guns aren't welcome neither is me or my family. I will spend my money and taxes elsewhere.

MI has all that except surfing. If you get out in the Great Lakes far enough you'll get some good waves. Trouble is you'll be dodging the freighters along the way.

 

[trbon8r]

What you seem to be saying is that life is so good that gun ownership is almost inconsequental.

No one is saying that at all. What happens if some unpleasant laws get passed in Arizona? Are you going to leave your job, family, and throw everything away just so you can buy some more guns when you already have plenty of them in the safe? Then are you going to pack up and move again if things start going bad in your new home state?

 

[JCF]

O.K., so just what would you like the rest of us too do?

What should YOU do?

I don’t know… do whatever you want. Build yourself a bunker and buy lots of surplus gas masks and camo face paint for all I care. I don’t give a rip what YOU do. No one is being critical of YOUR personal decision to live how and where you want to. Some are simply stating that it isn’t for them… it certainly isn’t for me.

Insofar as any viable plan for Cali’s gun laws; no… there certainly isn’t any light at the end of the tunnel. Certainly no plan more viable or potentially heartening than there is for many other pressing issues currently facing this state, your state, or the nation… gun control, economy, housing, war or otherwise.

I’m not running to Canada regardless, nor am I going to begin criticizing those that decide to remain Americans. I still believe it's worth the effort... both on a state and national level. Despite its' massive problems, the USA is still a great place to live... even Cali.

What you seem to be saying is that life is so good that gun ownership is almost inconsequental. Personally it will take a lot more then, "a nice glass of Cabernet and a plate of spaghetti all'aglio on the sidewalk" to compromise any of my rights.

Nope. I don't seem to be saying that at all. I own lots of guns here in Cali. Restrictions regarding the ability to tuck them into my waistband aren't sufficient to convince me to move somewhere I don't want to be however. Life is, to me, indeed at least THAT good here.

Now if you’ll excuse me, pasta is served.

 

[Matt King]

Yes, gun laws are important to me. They are the deciding factor and usually the most important factor to consider when moving. Specifically, CA, NY, MD, DE, RI, MA, ME, CT, and NJ are states that I will never visit nor move to simply because of their gun laws. If my guns aren't welcome neither is me or my family. I will spend my money and taxes elsewhere.

MI has all that except surfing. If you get out in the Great Lakes far enough you'll get some good waves. Trouble is you'll be dodging the freighters along the way.

Somehow I don't believe that MI compares w/ Napa Valley.
Napa, S.F. Bay area, and the Sierras have it all. Some of the best places in the US to live IMO.

 

[CountGlockula]

This is my CA:



To stay on topic, before it gets locked:

 

[JCF]

Somehow I don't believe that MI compares w/ Napa Valley.
Napa, S.F. Bay area, and the Sierras are great places to live.

Nothing against MI, I've traveled it extensively and there are some nice enough places, but.... that comparison is a little bit like saying you can get a buzz from sniffing solvent just as well as having a glass of cognac. There may indeed be merits to each of them (I hear glue is a nice warm buzz), but they're still kind of apples and oranges if you know what I mean.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Yup Countglockula. That's the cali. coast line I remember. Baron grass lands and sea (no trees) and ugly. You need to have a look at the Oregon coast before the calif's ruin it.

I lived in Lockford and was the range master on the range east of Stockton. I moved (job related) to Santa Paula and used the range in Filmore. I knew the owner/rancher...

 

[CountGlockula]

The Bushmaster-beat you to it. Good gun laws in OR too.

 

[Darthbauer]

Can we stop the state bashing and get on with the OP's topic. At this rate its turning into a 9mm vs. 45ACP type thread.



Finding anything gold plated from the factory will be hard. Find any gun you like in black and just get it re-finished.

 

[CWL]

Over 10% of the military deaths in Iraq & Afghanistan have been Californians who made the ultimate sacrifice. That is more than double the losses of any other state, and last time I checked there are 50 States + territories in the USA.

California has always contributed more than its share keeping the USA solvent & safe.

All you 'bashers' who don't have a clue, there is good & bad everywhere, deal with it and move on.

 

[JCF]

My fugly and treeless CA.

And, with all due respect, I think we've carefully and exhaustively analyzed the OP's topic, and are pretty much in universal agreement that good 9mm pistols are readily available... but those cool-looking factory gold plated ones are going to be rare finds.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Oh look...euculiptus and bushes. I've ridden the Sierras and seen lots of trees, but that's not the coast.

And I agree...he just isn't going to get a gold plated auto in the USSR of C anytime soon. So let's put this string to bed...

 

[JCF]

That's not only the coast, it's the abhorrent city of San Francisco. That pic is just down the hill from the Palace of the Legion of Honor.

 

[BamBam-31]

Looks like you don't know the "USSR of C" quite as well as you say you do....

 

[Black Majik]

It's amazing how anytime CA is brought up, the thread always derails to bashing this state. People will take any opportunity given to take a jab at us.

Segregating us and leaving us for dead isn't the way to go. We're all suppose to be in this together. Us Californians are still fighting hard with the opportunities presented. We've gotten CCW rising in my county, our AR,AK and other EBR rifle situations are improving.

As difficult as it may be to believe, guns aren't a priority. We have many other reasons for choosing to stay in this state.


The constant jabs at Californians get really tiring.

 

[socaldan]

FIRST..I'm "SOCALDAN"...Do the math...!
SECOND...I'm an N.R.A. member, I'm a C.R.P.A. member and I'm voting "REPUBLICAN"...!!!
If ANY of you FINE people can't say "AYE" to at least TWO of these statements....THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!

 

[freakshow10mm]

I'm NRA and vote Libertarian.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Bambam-31...I was captured by the USSR of C for a 20 year sentense after I retired from the Navy. I lived near Stockton for 13 of those years and the last 7 in Ventura County. I know San Francisco well (enough to stay away from it). I too, am a member of the NRA and CRPA. I spent most of my free time hunting or on horse back in the Sierras and the coastal foot hills.