I ate dinner with a murderer.

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http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Jul/20080716News012.asp


Something about him always rubbed me the wrong way, kind of an irritating personality. About a month ago after a shoot he went out for Mexican food with a few of us. He creeped out my fiance, which was reason enough for me to try to keep him at a distance/


Seemed like kind of a doofus, I think he got in over his head. He either thought he was some kind of a big shot, or didn't think he would get caught. Either way, I never had him pegged as a murderer. Of course,,, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Two witnesses... pretty open and shut.

Even more coincidental, he dumped the body about a mile from some private land where I have camped many times in the past, and they hid the car amidst farm ground where I spend a fair amount of time for work. Crazy.....
 
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He sounds like a creep and a dufus. His father was a policeman. How sad for his family and the family of the guy he killed. Sounds like he is just evil.
 
Further proof that not everyone you meet at the range is your buddy just because they're a gun owner
 
Good point.
I think we finally found a gun owner/user that no one will defend.
 
It seems as if you were listening to the alarm bells going off in your subconscious and that's the best lesson to learn. Always, always, always, trust your gut instincts!
 
What Minn said.

Also...

Kind of strange how everything in the article seemed loosely tied up with guns. I mean, I don't think the article had anti spin, nor am I blaming the guns for the guy's looniness...it just seems like he was unstable and also happened to be obsessed with guns.

Like Ayoob said, "Some people will always be drawn to the exact wrong thing (for them)" or something like that.
 
Word also was angry because Ward either lost or pawned a gun Word had loaned him a few weeks ago, Polson said. The service revolver belonged to Word’s father, a Missouri State Highway Patrol lieutenant. Word said that if Ward didn’t return the gun or replace it, he would kill him.
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How does that happen?
 
That guy is 20?! He looks 35-40.

So he had his father's pistol, is 20 years old, and loaned it to a 19 year old that decided not to return it.
The 20 year old then kills the 19 year old for not returning it.

I would say this is some tragic thing, but in reality this is fairly common when one person crosses another in illegal activity.
If the father actualy gave him the gun and he didn't steal it, then it was likely his only handgun because I don't think someone under 21 can buy a pistol in that state.


If involved in illegal activity the criminal cannot go through the courts or other avenues for justice because they are doing something illegal, so they retaliate themselves. Fairly common. See the same thing with drug deals gone bad.

For some reason I am thinking he stole or 'borrowed' his father's pistol and then loaned it to the 19 year old who then refused to return it. That is total speculation though.
 
Please forgive me for my view, but I am a journalist. I've worked for major to mid-sized newspapers.

I've been locked up in a small room with convicted murderers.

In real life: "ain't no big deal."

At the end of the day it's "Holy crap!

"What did I do?"

The realities of life are often much harsher than we would like to believe.

We all come much closer to the lowest common denominator than we would wish.

All any of us can do is move on and remember - trust no one unless they have given us reason to trust.

I trust my wife, my kids, my mom.

Keep your guard up. It's really easy to become a victim.

It is also really easy to overreact.
 
I used to work for years with a fellow who killed a woman in a fit of rage. I think he's out of prison now but if I put him in a room full of people and said "pick out the murderer" he's have been still in the room alone after you tossed everyone out, including me, and you'd be thinking about tossing yourself out.

My son was crossing the street near home one day when a young woman clipped him with her car. Didn't hurt him, but she knew she had done something stupid, and was really upset with herself, and couldn't apologize enough. Really nice young woman.

She's doing life now, for killing three other women. Very brutally I might add.

My aunt, killed her husband before killing herself.

My ex-wifes Uncle, killed his wife before killing himself.

You never know.
 
Stupid comes in all sizes....

When I was a cop, a guy arguing with his "friend" went out and got a shotgun and blew him off the bar stool over $2 the guy owed him. It doesn't have to be logical or even reasonable for people to commit murder.... same with suicide. Neither is a "logical" act.

Some of the nicest acting people I met as a cop were murderers... and had committed some of the most heinous crimes you can imagine. Don't look for logic, or even "normal" in those people... it can be pathological in them, or situational... another reason to "filter your friends" and keep your piece handy.

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Word also was angry because Ward either lost or pawned a gun Word had loaned him a few weeks ago, Polson said. The service revolver belonged to Word’s father, a Missouri State Highway Patrol lieutenant. Word said that if Ward didn’t return the gun or replace it, he would kill him, Freese told officers.
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Wow, he was really angry about this huh?

Well, I used to tell the kids I taught (juvenile delinquents) that prison is full of angry guys.

Interesting that at the dinner you got a read on him right away- I've found in life my radar begins to chirp when I encounter criminals and scum bags. :scrutiny:
 
Some of the nicest acting people I met as a cop were murderers... and had committed some of the most heinous crimes you can imagine. Don't look for logic, or even "normal" in those people... it can be pathological in them, or situational... another reason to "filter your friends" and keep your piece handy.
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It strikes me that this thought progression is parallel to, if not exactly the same as one that motivates the antis.

They come up with a different application of it, of course. But the logic is certainly congruent, probably compatible , and possibly identical.
 
It strikes me that this thought progression is parallel to, if not exactly the same as one that motivates the antis.

They come up with a different application of it, of course. But the logic is certainly congruent, probably compatible , and possibly identical
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Yeah, we've hashed it out here at THR before. Both Pro and Anti-Gun run along the same vein. The major difference is
and keep your piece handy.
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a logical response to a threat. The other side is to bury your head in the sand and pretend it can't happen to you.
 
used to work for years with a fellow who killed a woman in a fit of rage. I think he's out of prison now but if I put him in a room full of people and said "pick out the murderer" he's have been still in the room alone after you tossed everyone out, including me, and you'd be thinking about tossing yourself out.

My son was crossing the street near home one day when a young woman clipped him with her car. Didn't hurt him, but she knew she had done something stupid, and was really upset with herself, and couldn't apologize enough. Really nice young woman.

She's doing life now, for killing three other women. Very brutally I might add.

My aunt, killed her husband before killing herself.

My ex-wifes Uncle, killed his wife before killing himself.
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Dude, sounds like you are a magnet for murders :what:
 
A guy I used to sell logs to went to prison on a manslaughter charge. He supposedly had some guy pull a gun on him and then took the gun away and shot the other guy.

He seemed like a really nice fellow and I thought the charge was bogus. I even did business with him after he was released. But one day he was talking about blowing somebody away if they crossed him again :uhoh:

The whole thing was really weird. First, his wife (who really was a scary person) went to work as a jailer and eventually became a deputy. Second, he was still guiding/outfitting hunters after getting out of prison, and I don't see how he managed that since as a felon he couldn't legally have access to guns.

(I won't be surprised if somebody here doesn't recognize this story)
 
Heh... When I went back to school after the Army, I knew a guy in my dorm who had done seven years because he was one of the doofi involved in that mess that John Holmes was into.

The school saw that he was older, so they made him a floor RA.

After I figured out what all the jailhouse tats were, I went and had a little chat with the Dean of men, who fondly remembered me from several appearances when I was a freshman, sophomore, or junior... Real twist to be me chewing him out...
 
Overworked PD!!!!!

This is the fifth murder in Howard County in the past nine years, Polson said, and it is taxing on the small department. The highway patrol has been assisting in the case, which has been a "tremendous help," Polson said.

"We have five deputies to cover the whole county, so it’s a major stress on our department."
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hhhmmmm . . . slightly more than 1 murder every two years and it is a MAJOR STRESS on, and TAXING the small department.
The 5 deputies must have a tough job trying to solve these murders with all the other activities going on in the county it seems :eek:
 
Listen to your gut.
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There you go. That's probably the most underrated tactical tool around. The more years I put under my suspenders, the more I come to trust my instincts. If a person *seems* wrong chances are they *ARE* wrong. Now that's not enough to convict them of anything obviously, but it's more than enough to keep your distance and be aware. There are parts of your brain finely honed for identifying threats.
 
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