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I bought a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Doug S, Feb 11, 2006.

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  1. Doug S

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    I can't believe that I bought a Hi-Point 9mm carbine today. I had a couple of Mosin carbines sitting in the safe unused, and I thought I'd take them to a local shop to see what they could do on a trade in. I traded the two Mosin Nagant carbines for it, plus a few dollars. It is about the ugliest firearm that I have ever seen (next to a Hi-Point handgun). It came with a compensator, scope mount, a sling, and surprisingly, a laser sight. I took it to the range not expecting much, but to my surprise, the little carbine ate through 100 rounds without a single glitch. To top it off, it was accurate to boot. I don't like the crappy cheap low cap magazine, but otherwise, it seems like it might be a decent firearm if you're looking for a cheap 9mm carbine. The 9mm Beretta next to it was $600 in comparison, but I suppose you must get something more for your money.
     
  2. Car Knocker

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    I don't believe that I've ever heard or read a valid negative comment on the Hi-Point carbines other than, of course, regarding esthetics. They do exactly what they are supposed to do and do it well.
     
  3. Don't Tread On Me

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    Only negative is lack of a high-cap magazine. :D
     
  4. Doug S

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    The magazine is a disappointment, and given the choice I probably would have bought a Kel-Tec because of this. The shop only had the Hi-Point and the Beretta, and I don't think I could of got the $600 for the Beretta out of my two Mosin carbines;) .
     
  5. Spot77

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    There is a 15 round magazine available now; I can't recall if it's a High Point factory mag or not.


    Had conventional weapons been used in Star Wars you can bet that Han Solo would've used the High Point carbine.


    The gun will certainly put 10 rounds through the same hole at 75 feet.
     
  6. Crosshair

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    DO NOT use the Pro-Mag 15 round mags for the Hi-point. I was an idiot and bought three of them and they do not feed correctly.:(
     
  7. kennyboy

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    I can't stress it enough. High Points are cheap junk. Spend a little more and get a better gun like a Glock.
     
  8. Ridge

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    And exactly what is your expert opinion then kennyboy?

    Have you ever owned one?

    Have you fired one?

    My advise is know what you're talking about before you give a knee jerk reaction like that,try one out,you just might be suprised.
     
  9. Car Knocker

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    And how many Glock carbines have you seen in gunshops lately???:neener:
     
  10. Doug S

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    I own three Glocks, and love them. I don't think I would buy a Hi-Point handgun, mostly because of the looks. That said, I bought the carbine on a whim, and was very impressed. I put 100 rounds through the carbine without a single failure. This included some rapid fire strings. The gun was extremely accurate, I think because of the peep sight.

    Here is a picture of my model, although I haven't yet installed the compensator and laser sight on mine. I may decide not to install them, as I don't think they would be very useful.

    The only thing that really bothered me about the gun, was that the 10 round mag seemed cheap. Have any of you had any issues with the factory magazines? The bullets sometimes seemed to point down until I pushed on the back of the round to tip them up. Still this didn't seem to cause any functioning problems. Also wonder if the mag springs are of decent quality?
     

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  11. SpookyPistolero

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    I've had one for several years and they're great. I'm not sure what there is that a person could knock on. They're accurate and reliable, quite simply. They won't win a beauty contest, but I'm willing to accept that.

    Mine literally has not jammed to my reccolection. If it were re-made to take a double stack of some kind, it'd be even better.
     
  12. R.W.Dale

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    I'm really getting annoyed with the long wait for those .45 hi-points. I've been waiting to get my hands on one since early last year.
    For this long of a wait I really would hope they offer a 1911 magazine version or conversion kit, but I don't hold any hope of that. It would be too good to be true. :(
     
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    Does anyone have any ballistics results with the same exact ammo out of a Hi-Point carbine and a fullsize handgun like a Glock 17?
     
  15. craig

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    high point carbine

    i have a high point carbine and a kel tec sub 2000(beretta version). both are reliable, FUN guns. both have worked flawlessly and are very accurate. i like the high point better comfort wise, but as has been pointed out here the lack of hi cap magazines limits the fun. wish they made 20 and 30 rounders for it like i got for my sub 2000.
     
  16. R.W.Dale

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    I've found that you usually gain about 100 to 150 FPS over a handgun
     
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    Yeah, sure, and then try to get 100 yard groups with your GLOCK. If you can get something resembling a group, at 100 yards on a B-27 silhouette, I'll be shocked. After you're done attempting to accomplish that feat, go ahead and actually do it with a Hi-Point carbine.

    Yeah, GLOCKs are well thought of, popular, and more expensive than Hi-Point carbines, but there are somethings GLOCKs don't do well. Like shoot 100 yard groups.

    BTW, I've shot both Hi-Point carbines and GLOCK pistols. I can't say as I'm willing to rush out and buy either one, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the good points of either of them.

    The Hi-Point carbines are inexpensive, read that as affordable self-defense measures to lower income households, and they are reasonably accurate at pistol-caliber carbine range.

    One more thing, kennyboy, what, exactly, is your level of experience that gives you the insight to offer your esteemed opinion? (Me, I'm an eight year veteran of the U.S. Army (Infantry and Field Artillery Forward Observer), with combat experience in Afghanistan and I'm also an NRA certified handgun instructor.)
     
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    Don't feed the trolls.
     
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    Yeah, sure, and then try to get 100 yard groups with your GLOCK.

    Forget 100 yards. Try to get tight groups standing with a Glock, rapid fire, at 50 yards.

    The attached target photo was done in just that fashion, using 115gr Fiocchi FMJ, from a Ruger PC9GR; two magazines, 34 rounds fired. It clocks 1300-1350 fps. The same ammo out of a Browning Hi-Power clocked ~1200 fps.

    The pistol caliber carbine chambered for 9x19 extends your accurate range, mostly because of the extended sight radius. It doesn't do much for your ballistics, especially with heavier bullets. The numbers I've seen show 115gr gaining more velocity on average than 124gr/147gr loads.

    As a self-defense gun, I think it's marginal. But it's rugged, reliable, accurate up to the practical limits of the cartridge, and fun. It's also 10X easier to find ammunition than 7.62x39, and cheaper. It will feed just about anything, and no worries about +P+ loads if you choose to go that high. I chose it over the other inexpensive carbines mainly because of the name. I have no notion that the KelTec or HiPoint carbines are lesser weapons.

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    Anyone that says they are junk (are you listening kennyboy) has never shot one, long term. I bought one when they first came out, and its now sent at least 5000 rounds downrange, with NO malfunctions, ever. None. Nada. Zip. And in most cases that was using the cheapest ammo (lots of Wolf and Blazer) ammo I could get. I've never dissasembled it for cleaning, and probably won't until until it starts giving problems. I just clean the bore and action area, as much as possible, without major dissasembly.

    Yes, they're kinda ugly, but in a funky sorta way. And did I mention reliable?
     
  21. 355sigfan

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    I got Kennys back on this one. Their pure crap. I have shot a few and all of the pistols were jamamatics with god awful triggers. Some are down right unsafe. Their the modern saturday night specials. Pure crap. Never tried their carbines but I have no use for pistol caliber pop guns anyway. If I did I would not waste money on a junk gun maker.
    Pat
     
  22. Doug S

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    I don't plan on buying another Hi-Point, so it's not like I have a biased interest in defending this gun. That said, I do find it interesting, that at least in regard to the carbine, that most all who have owned or shot one (carbine), have nothing but praise for this model, while only those who have never handled one have made negative comments. I do understand not buying a firearm based on a negative opinion of a manufacturer, but personally, I try to keep my uninformed opinions to myself, and make it a point not to speak so assertively about something with which I've had no firsthand experience. This post is not intended for any person in particular, just as a general observation based on this thread, and on a number of others I've been reading elsewhere. I guess, the point that I'd like to make is this, that the Hi-Point carbine seems like a viable choice for anyone with limited funds, or those who just appreciate a decent bargain.
     
  23. gonzo_beyondo

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    Another happy/satisfied Hi-Point owner here...

    The bashers should take a flying leap.
     
  24. Crosshair

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    With 115 grain Winchester white box ammo I get about 1300 FPS out of my 995 carbine. However I got over 1400 FPS with 7.5 grains of Blue Dot powder under a 115 grain Winchester bullet. Max load is 8.5 grains IIRC so there is great possibility with slow burning powders. Weather is crap up here so I have not been able to develop loads further.
     
  25. BillinNH

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    Could someone tell me the official word from Hi-Point/MKS on this product? Availibility, specs, mag size, MSRP, etc. I want one of these really bad.

    As to Hi-cap mags for the 9mm , I assume their feeding problems can be fixed by a little work on the spacing of the forward portions of the feed lips. Anyone tried this?

    As to people knocking the HI-POINT carbines, I can only conclude that their knowledge is not first hand. These are very reliable, accurate guns with excellent ergonomics (for me ,at least) and a great price point. What's not to like? Well, OK, the looks, but they grow on you.

    Bill
     
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