I don't completely understand the need for collapsible stocks

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I know they look cool. I'm 6' and tend to keep LOP between 12 and 13". Usually that also works well for smaller frame individuals. It just seems to be unnecessary to me. I can understand a side folder for true compactness. What am I missing? I'm guessing most folks use one size. I would imago get those who need body armor for their job might adjust them a bit more but I could also see where many may still just keep LOP on the short side. What are your thoughts?
 
It's nice to keep LOP the same whether it's t shirt weather or a blizzard. The coats in winter push the rifle out further causing some people issues, also if there are multiple shooters on the same gun it is nice to be able to adjust.
 
If one of the most important things you can do to improve your speed and fluidity in dynamic shooting is to fit the length-of-pull to you correctly, why would an easily adjustable stock be a BAD thing?

I had a very adjustable stock when shooting 3-position smallbore years ago. I changed the settings every time I moved from one position to another.

Why wouldn't I want a stock that gave me at least a very basic length adjustment when I want to throw on a heavy coat, strip down to a t-shirt, wear body armor, hand the rifle to my wife or 9-year old, shoot from a different position, etc.

Not saying it is the best thing since sliced cheese, but it sure can be nice!
 
I know they look cool. I'm 6' and tend to keep LOP between 12 and 13". Usually that also works well for smaller frame individuals. It just seems to be unnecessary to me. I can understand a side folder for true compactness. What am I missing?

You're missing the now common usage of body armor on the battlefield and in police assault [SWAT] scenarios. This changes the LOP considerably, since you can no longer rely upon a baseline of distal knuckle to inside of elbow when the shooter's shoulder has a variable layer(s) of gear on it.

For someone who knows that the most they'll ever be wearing is a shooting jacket, the adjustable stock is irrelevant. For the mall ninja who's trying so desperately to look like a real-deal "operator," it's everything. ;)
 
The ideal length of pull is different for each person based on their size and shooting style. And each person might still need to adjust it based on their current shooting position and any bulky clothing they might be wearing. And on top of that, it's nice to be able to fully collapse the stock for storage.

So my question is this: Unless you need a solid stock for precision shooting, why would you not want an adjustable one?
 
Surculus said:
For someone who knows that the most they'll ever be wearing is a shooting jacket, the adjustable stock is irrelevant.
Not at all. The type of shooting I'm doing dictates how far I extend my stock. For close-in CQB-type shooting, I use the stock at its first position with my nose right up against the charging handle. But if I'm doing target-type shooting I extend the stock out a little bit more.
 
To me LOP is important but other adjustments are more important, especially with heavy recoiling guns. I can easily shoot a gun that is to short but I have problems with a gun that the drop at heel is way off.
 
Most points already covered above, so I'll address this one:

I can understand a side folder for true compactness. What am I missing?

Ever try to shoot a rifle with a folding stock in the folded position? How was your accuracy and control?

Try shooting an AR or other rifle with the AR style collapsible stock fully collapsed. Comfortable? Not for most people. More functional than a folded stock? Absolutely!

So, for someone who maybe needs a compact weapon to get in and out of vehicles or maneuver in tight confines, a telescoping/collapsible stock strikes a balance between the compactness of a folding stock and the utility of a fixed stock.

I have an FAL Paratrooper, and have owned other side or under folding rifles. Folded stock is nice for storage, but you want the thing out for use. Even if the stock doesn't interfere with the firing hand (often do), you'll have no semblance of accuracy without a rest.
 
Collapsible stocks are to account for gear, and to a very certain extent, shooter LOP. Not compactness.

Shoot an AR in a t-shirt, then do it again with body armor or a chest rig... you likely want to shorten your LOP.

I don't wear body armor, I have no collapsible stocks.
 
The only time I ever move mine is when I put it in the safe, and then when I take it out. I have fixed stocks on all but one gun, and I wish it was fixed. But I never wear body armor either, and living in AL if it's cold enough to wear a jacket I'm not shooting unless im hunting.
 
My 7 year old grand daughter can shoot the same rifle I shoot with a 2 second adjustment to the stock. Other than that it just takes up less space in storage or transit. Those are good enough reasons for me
 
Similar to jmr40,

We have an Remington 870 for a critter gun at our barn/arena.I have installed a collapsable stock on it. In the collapsed position, it fits my 5'-2" wife well, it fits me fully extended.

One gun, two shooters for a gun that will not see much use.
 
Its one thing to zero an AR off a bench during the summer wearing a t-shirt, tis quite another using the same AR when bundled up against temps in the low teens on a deer hunt. The sliding stock made it very easy to keep the eye relief pretty close to the same when going from t-shirt to heavy jacket.
 
My wife's arms aren't as long as mine. Our kid's arms aren't the same length as mine or my wife's.

Not to mention different shooting stances and styles are better performed using a variety of different stock lengths according to the individual.

Plus I can shorten up the stock for storage in a hard case and allow more room in the case for other components.

:)
 
I like to introduce people to shooting, I can fit the rifle to many other persons besides myself.

I also like to make it as compact as possible for transport - a shorter rifle in a rectangular case with a Fender guitar patch on the side doesn't get a second look when walking through a hotel, in my experience.

Mark H.
 
As applied to the M4-style stock, "collapsible" is really a misnomer since the stock is only adjustable within a range of LOP's, and cannot go to zero length like a true collapsible. It's really an adjustable stock.

As to why one would want an adjustable stock, I suppose you don't really need one if you only ever shoot the rifle wearing the same thickness of clothing, in the same shooting position, you are the only person who will ever shoot the rifle, and you can find a fixed-length stock that fits your ideal length for those conditions. Outside of those narrow parameters, an adjustable length stock is very handy for accomodating winter vs. summer clothing, prone vs. benchrest vs. USPSA style, or different sized shooters.
 
I went the opposite route, I had an adjustable stock on my AR-15 and replaced it with the Magpul "fixed carbine stock". Mainly because the adjustable stocks "rattle" around when you shake the rifle. It's not a big deal but for some reason it annoyed me. Also I'm the only person shooting this rifle and the Magpul stock fits me ok (wouldn't say great but ok).

My wife has her own rifle (which adjustable stock) and when my kids are big enough, they'll get their own rifles too (right now one is 4, the other is 7 months, so they're not ready yet LOL)
 
Lots of variables...

Body armor
Loan b'twixt varying sized individuals
Cold/wet weather gear
Prone/sitting/standing/supported-not
Storage space
Alternative containers
Video gamer cred:evil:

Todd.
 
I like adjustable stocks for several reasons. First, I'm not the only one who shoots my guns. I shoot with the stock extended completely, and that is much too long for some of the others who shoot my ARs. Also, I can use different stock lengths for different types of shooting. And it is for me to carry on the sling when its collapsed that when it is fully extended. The adjustable allows me to carry it comfortably but still have a longer stock when I want to shoot it.
 
I have fixed stocks on a couple of my more "general use" ARs, but I have a collapsible stock on the one I use for home defense. I set it to a very short length to work with a squared-up close quarters shooting position, which also makes it more maneuverable in the house... my HD plan involves me covering the approach to the stairway to the bedroom areas of the house by leaning around a corner in the hallway, and this is more easily done with a shorter weapon. The same goes on a shotgun... for a fighting shotgun, I like a real short stock, for all the same reasons.

Collapsibles are fine for close quarters positions with red dot sights, but I do not like them on scoped rifles. When fully extended, for use with traditional field positions, your cheek rests on the bare buffer tube, which leaves your head that much lower, and gives you that much crappier of a cheek weld. Also most of the popular collapsible stocks (the factory M4 stock included) do not adjust as long as an A2 stock, even when fully extended... which is the length I need for use with field positions.

I realize that a UBR or F93 stock would help with these deficiencies, but it comes at the cost of much greater weight. Any rifle I own that has a scope is a rifle that I carry and use in the field, and weight is a concern. I just don't have that pressing of a need to be able to adjust the stock on field use rifles. With a fixed stock, I have a NTCH position with light clothing. If Im wearing heavy winter clothes, my head simply rests a little further back on the stock than usual, just like on any other rifle, and it's really no big deal.

Having said all that, I do not currently own plates. If I get some, I may revisit the usefulness of something like a UBR stock on my 2A-purpose rifles that currently wear fixed stocks.
 
I don't care who you are, that's funny, right there!

I like them only for consistent length of pull. Other than that, I prefer the fixed stocks.
 
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