Quantcast

I dont hear much about HK around here.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by arinvolvo, May 16, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,326
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    Heh.

    I made the mistake once of mentioning that I thought USP's were overpriced to a serously hardcore HK fanboy. He flew into a sputtering rage about how "just because you can't afford them doesn't mean that anyone who buys one can't appreciate a fine pistol!"

    As I was wiping his spray off my face, I didn't have the heart to tell him that the MSRP of the pistol on my hip would handily cover a Mark 23 and a couple of cases of hardball for practice. Apparently he missed the key word: I think they're steep for plastic guns. If you don't, then glory in your spark, man; buy what you like. Ain't free enterprise grand? (He'd probably die if he knew I swapped a USP9c for a SIG P232... ;) )

    Like I said; dude, they're just guns, not lifestyle choices. :D
     
  2. PakWaan

    PakWaan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2003
    Messages:
    161
    Location:
    Sunny Florida
    You guys have got to stop..... I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type....... thanks for making the evening a little lighter.:p
     
  3. incursion

    incursion Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    294
    Boat, your Seinfeld reference was hillarious. I don't care for the USP or P9S series either, but I love the P7 series.
     
  4. OF

    OF Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    2,988
    I paid $425 for my USP. Used. It had, maybe, 50 rounds through it when I bought it.

    Works for me.

    - Gabe
     
  5. echo3mike

    echo3mike Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    363
    Location:
    Some tranisitional phase my therapist keeps talkin
    I'm just as pleased as punch about mine...USP9, $525 used. 'Bout as much as the P228 that I later sold to finance a rifle purchase. Just couldn't part with the HK.

    [​IMG]

    My first handgun and ironically the mechanism by which I found The Firing Line and, subsequently, THR.

    Now if I could only scrape up the coin for a P7 to keep it company...

    S.
     
  6. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,326
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    Hey, ya' know what's funny? Browning High Powers and CZ-75's just leave me cold, too. I know they're fine guns and all, but different strokes for different folks... ;)
     
  7. Sean Smith

    Sean Smith Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    4,925
    In the words of The Bard, "Lighten up, Frances." :neener:
     
  8. gudel

    gudel Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2003
    Messages:
    1,947
    Location:
    United States
    all these people are bagging on HK owners as "tactical poseurs". that's a lame argument. what if i say, glock owners don't really own a gun, but they sure do own plastic toy gun. this is not a very good argument since the HK is too made out of plastic frame.

    so, quit it people, we're not tactical poseus, we, the HK owners, just have a refine taste in selecting our firearms.
     
  9. Boats

    Boats member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,705
    Location:
    Oregon
    Skunkabilly wrote:
    :rolleyes: Now I am dating myself just a little. Elaine on Seinfeld, IMNSHO, the best sitcom of the past quarter century, used to work, among other places, as an editor of the J. Peterman Catalog, famous for its fantastically described high-end products, each with its own lengthy "journal" entry describing it perfoming in some imagined scene.

    In one of my favorite scenes from season eight of the show, entitled "Fatigues," Elaine is called upon to fire a wierdo named Eddie from the mailroom. He shows up in her office in full fatigues, complete with a voice like a burned out R. Lee Ermy. Intimidated by his appearance, she promotes him out of the mailroom and into a spot as a copywriter. Here is the script excerpt I play homage to in this thread, and which many humorless readers failed to get:

    Elaine is wrapping up a meeting at Peterman's.

    Elaine: That's good work, guys. That ought to do it for today.

    Eddie: Wait. You didn't ask me about my ideas.

    Elaine: Oh, Eddie, well it's your first day.

    Eddie: I'm ready.

    Elaine: Oh, okay.

    Eddie (reading): It's a hot night. The mind races. You think about your knife; the only friend who hasn't betrayed you, the only friend who won't be dead by sun up. Sleep tight, mates, in your quilted Chambray nightshirts.


    It's an awesome scene. Later it is followed by another "writing" session:

    Elaine and Eddie Sherman are alone in the office working on writing copy.

    Eddie: Hey, I think I got something here. The Bengalese Galoshes.

    Elaine: Oh?

    Eddie (reading): It's tough keeping your feet dry when you're kicking in a skull.

    Elaine: You know, Eddie, that might be just a tad harsh for womenswear.

    Eddie: Well, I'm not married to it.

    Elaine. Oh. Well, um, in that case why don't we take the phrase, "kicking in a skull" and we tweak it, you know, just a hair, to something like, what, like "strolling through a dewy meadow"?

    Eddie: Dewy meadow.


    This episode also has a hilarious subplot wherein Kramer "drafts" George's father to cook for "Jewish Singles Night" despite the horror of having food poisoned his unit in Korea, which ended his cooking days. Of course he has a flashback at the dinner when a guest chokes.

    Oh well.
     
  10. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,326
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    gudel,

    That's right! I'm an HK owner (P7M8 and HK91) and I have a refined taste in selecting my handbuilt 1911's and vintage Smith & Wesson revolvers. :D

    Sorry! Couldn't resist! ;)
     
  11. HKcenterMass

    HKcenterMass Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2003
    Messages:
    39
    Location:
    cleveland
    Just let it roll, the HK is as good or better than ang gun out there, if some HK guys fantasize about "tactiacal yadda yadda" so be it, glock guys dream of their pistpls not KB-ing, 1911 guys dream of running through no mans land in WW1, while clearing that stove pipe or double feed just in time to pop the bad guy... that, or they dream of their 1911 being as good as the USP. Have a nice day. :neener:
     
  12. Mike Irwin

    Mike Irwin Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    7,956
    Location:
    Below the Manson-Nixon line in Virginia...
    As far as I'm concerned, HK still has to say a couple hundred thousand Hail Marys to atone for the VP-70.

    And $700 for a black plastic pistol?

    Christ, I guess that makes me a poverty poseur for paying $300 for the s&W Model 58 that's lying on my desktop right now, or $300 for the S&W Model 042 that's in my front pocket.

    :rolleyes:


    Hey Kirk, when are you coming North again?

    I wanna watch you pose while you shoot your HK. I'll even take pictures and post them here. :D
     
  13. KMKeller

    KMKeller Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,632
    Location:
    NC
    No deal Mike. I'd have to spend all sorts of money on black nylon gear and I'd rather spend it on a custom pistol from a real pistolsmith like Larry Vickers, not a 1911 Poseur like Dane Burns... Oops! That's a different argument isn't it!

    Seriously though, I'm looking at spending a day or so up yonder next month. Not on business, but rather on social calls. You up for a shoot?
     
  14. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,326
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    If the frame and slide aren't buffed from unobtainium bar stock by Tibetan virgins using sandpaper made from the volcanic sand of Mount Etna harvested under a full moon, then obviously it's a 1911 poseur pistol. ;)
     
  15. KMKeller

    KMKeller Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,632
    Location:
    NC
    Unobtainium? Old crap with inherent grain issues...
     
  16. XavierBreath

    XavierBreath Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    5,054
    Location:
    Louisiana
    I own two USPs, a fullsize and a compact. Each was a little over $500. Fullsize was used, the compact new. The compact is my carry weapon, the fullsize is my house gun. Never shot a P series, although I have a feeling I wouldn't really like it.

    I've been looking at the 1911s, Kimbers in particular. Nice guns, especiually the black ones with rosewood grips, but a bit rich for my blood. In the end all that matters is reliability and accuracy. Since I'm only a person who carries for self protection and a recreational shooter, not a professional or even amatuer competitive shooter, I just can't see the $700 and up price tag for the 1911 type weapons, at least for me.

    I note that Kimber is putting out the polymer framed Ten Series with a MSRP of $770-$1039. So what was that about polymer framed pistols being overpriced?

    I agree with the previous posters, I seldom talk HK outside of the HKPro boards because of the rush to judgement that many do as soon as HK is brought up.
     
  17. KMKeller

    KMKeller Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,632
    Location:
    NC
    Xavierbreath - I had one of those overpriced Kimbers with three hicaps. Dang thing would only feed ball ammo, and that only after I had the feed ramp polished... Imagine that! But it now rests in the capable hands of Larry Correia who uses it in his 3-gun matches and has had nary a lick of trouble.
     
  18. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,326
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    Exactly. Did some guy at Bul pop those things out of the mold lovingly by hand or what? ;)
     
  19. sm

    sm member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    28,389
    Location:
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    Ok I admit, I'm not as learned as some. My experience with HK is with some LEO that used a private range, I assisted with training, and that was the 'issued' gun.

    I believe in gun fit, reliability. If -n- you gots the $ and it fits the criteria...

    But hey, I shoot 1911's and like K frames. I mean I still fix biscuits from scratch...ok ok I finally went to using Bisquick...still hate canned biscuits...my only " black polymer gun" is a ( gasp) Keltec ...but I still enjoy shooting a $179 model 10...but it fits and I hit.
     
  20. agentwithrow

    agentwithrow Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2003
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Rush, KY
    wow, I almost hate to mention my USP expert being my favorite pistol... I had no idea someone would bash you for it and preach to you about some other .45 pistol, when they don't even know I have 3 of them in a safe too. I love 1911's done right, I love revolvers of big caliber, and why not a good polymer pistol as well?

    Hey since when in a free country is it wrong to wanna do something you like, even if its SWAT related. If I wanna bang a ruger single six in my undies with feathers on my head singing Eminem I will. If someone's a tactical guy that means he's a lesser shooter than another? Damn, you sure have some devine judgment that I don't have.

    Oh and I think people buying service pistols are not all people trying to be SEALs, It comforts me to know that a Law enforcement agency, or a Military unit trust and uses a weapon I have. (no low bidder comments guys) If it last rugged wear and use they give it, then the little use I give it shouldn't phaze it.

    and how bout them Hi-points huh?
     
  21. CZ-75

    CZ-75 member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2003
    Messages:
    1,788
    Location:
    BFE
    I can see "luxury."

    Where did you get "Quality"?

    M-B ranks behind Opel in homemarket comparisons (neither does it do that well over here, from JD Powers info) and Honda builds their cars to the tightest tolerances of any car manufacturer. Check the huge panel gaps on an M-B sometime. BMW, just to throw in a marque you're familiar with, has pretty average to below-average reliability, save the 3-series, something few Honda products will ever suffer. Or that Car and Driver's BMW M3, which revs as high as the average Honda VTEC, slurps down numerous quarts of 10W-60 synthetic at $14 per, over ~30K miles, unlike a Honda (and they don't need oil that you can only buy from the dealer to do it). That wasn't including the probs w/ door seals and HVAC. Pathetic.

    "Reliability" and "quality" aren't inimical terms in my neck of the woods. Indeed, I'd have a hard time seeing how an unreliable car could be considered a "quality" car.

    I think I'll stand by my comparison. Only a fool would buy something of questionable reliability to get cachet and a leather and wood trimed interior. HK seems to be reliable, if overpriced, at least.
     
  22. CZ-75

    CZ-75 member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2003
    Messages:
    1,788
    Location:
    BFE

    I guess you must be on a different planet than most other folks when you'd lump a Makarov into that company. Something that always goes bang when I pull the trigger belongs in the big leagues, not listed with the also-rans. Additionally, the quality of fit and finish is as good as just about any better production pistol out there.
     
  23. arinvolvo

    arinvolvo Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,525
    Location:
    VIVA!!
    CZ75....Volvo made its B230F (for the 200 series sedans) engines to some of the loosest tolerances ever seen in a 4 cylinder engine....

    Not quality? I wouldnt say that...those loose tolerances are the reason these engines will run for hundreds of thousands of miles...without rebuilds...Mine has 160K....my old one had 350K....and it ran great when I sold it.

    Those loose tolerances also allow the B230F engines to run with minimal oil, and with minimal damage...however...loose tolerances in the engine also rob performance....they arent hot rods.

    Quality? I dont know....Reliabilty? hell yes....

    Just ask Glockers. You dont need tight tolerances for quality, and reliability.

    BTW, this thread is stupid..:rolleyes: I wish I had never said anything. I love all guns.
     
  24. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    12,037
    Location:
    California

    :( To bad you can't unring a bell :( ;)
     
  25. Wildalaska

    Wildalaska member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    5,296
    Location:
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Aha...a low end eltitist!!!...bet ya think your Ford Pinto is better than a Chevy Vega too...:neener:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice