I don't think they expected the push back we gave them

[NY'er]

RetiredUSNChief, happily this isn't a red vs blue thing~
it's a Red White & Blue thing!

Take a look at the map of counties that have already passed Resolutions opposing the SAFE act.
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums...p - Marcs MacBook Pro/Map0012_zps67ced7a1.jpg

It seems the previously apathetic masses of NON-voters are becoming politically, vocally and actively involved over all of this, and that set of additional voters are already firmly on our side!

 

[mokin]

I think they anticipated a strong push back. Here in Colorado, I think they may have been a little more succcessful than they hoped but I think the antis figured if they won it will cost them in the midterm elections. Like someone else wrote above, "I am waiting for the other shoe to fall". Is it paranoid of me to wonder what the Democratic leadership intends to do for all their faithful minions who followed the directives and voted agianst the will of thier constituants.

 

[Lost Sheep]

Has it occurred to anyone that the entire AWB and mag restriction push was always just a left-hand ruse to distract us from what the right hand was doing? That Sen Feinstein knew from jump street that those provisions would never get a vote and was simply employed in the role of gadfly?

The Majority Leader says no to the AWB and magazine capacity limits, but UBC--the real objective because it opens the door to registration and then confiscation--is still in the gun control bill.

UBC is the right hand of the anti-gunners, the one they have always thought and still think can win because, as they say, it's just reasonable to make sure crooks and nut jobs can't get guns, and UBC will do that. That load of bull has played very well in Peoria, and there's no real indication that it won't pass. When it does, the next thing will be "realization" that it's impossible to enforce UBC without registration, so the President will sign an Executive action to implement that step, legitimized by the concept of enforcement facilitation.

While Senator Feinstein wrings her hands and gets all boo-hooey over not getting her vote on AWB, and we celebrate the probable defeat of AWB and magazine restrictions, the anti's laugh at us for being so gullible and quietly instigate the mechanism for taking all our firearms.

Folks, there's nothing to celebrate until we defeat UBC.

Thank you. I have been trying to summarize that concept ever since I started a thread last month.

First UBC as a law. Difficult to pass, but watered down, doable. Then extend and strengthen it to track all gun owners, and then to track all guns. Upon " 'realization' that it's impossible to enforce UBC without registration, ...the President will sign an Executive action to implement that step, legitimized by the concept of enforcement facilitation."

Thanks, beatledog7. Very astute and very well put.

Lost Sheep

p.s. Of course, it does not matter to the rabid anti-gunner that UBC will not keep guns out of the hands of the criminal anyway. At least, not before every law-abiding private citizen is disarmed. But that is another thread.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

RetiredUSNChief, happily this isn't a red vs blue thing~
it's a Red White & Blue thing!

Take a look at the map of counties that have already passed Resolutions opposing the SAFE act.
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums...p - Marcs MacBook Pro/Map0012_zps67ced7a1.jpg

It seems the previously apathetic masses of NON-voters are becoming politically, vocally and actively involved over all of this, and that set of additional voters are already firmly on our side!

This is, indeed, heartening.

However, NYC is the 800 pound gorilla of NY state. 43% of the state's population resides in NYC. That's not only a huge concentration of people, NYC is a HUGE concentration of wealth and, therefore, power.

NYC has a 61 BILLION dollar a year budget, the largest municipal budget in the country. 52% of all government raised revenue in the state is raised by NYC. And nearly every aspect of NYC's government is Democratically controlled.

Both Senators are Democrats. 21 out of 27 Representatives in the House are Democrats.

59% of the state population are Democrats, 33% Republican, the rest a smattering of other affiliations. The state legislature has a 65-seat Democrat supermajority and has been totally dominated by Democrats for all but 5 years since 1959. That's 49 years out of the last 54 being dominated by the Democrats.

The political and economic structure of NY state and NYC are set up for Democrat domination.


I say all this not to discourage or disagree, but to point out that, despite outstanding response by various other municipalities in the state, the outcome (stomp-down on gun control) is by no means certain nor is it certain to be a lasting change if it does occur.

I have high hopes, especially if the federal courts get involved and support the conservative movements. But even the it will be a continual battle against forces seeking to change the laws in many various ways...and, like recent movements by conservative municipalities who have said they won't enforce restrictive gun control laws, the Liberal forces may also choose what they will and will not support via many measures.

Fight the good fight. But don't be deceived into thinking the outcome is certain or easy, or that it will be lasting without due vigilance.

 

[jason41987]

the people in the UK didnt really push back, the people in australia didnt and their gun culture was similar... we were wiser than that and i think they underestimated the intelligence of the american people.. the people wanting to ban guns look down on us as subjects, they feel a superiority to us and they were simply too damn arrogant to believe we'd tell them to get lost... also speaking to some people from australia, i found many of them regret not pushing back as hard as we did, they say they gave up too much and wish they fought it

 

[guyfromohio]

Screaming lib on fox today stated that AWB would have occurred if only the public had contacted their legislators. I'm thinking they did.

 

[Fremmer]

They didn't anticipate a lot of things. They didn't expect record high sales of firearms to a record high number of buyers to occur. Or the incredibly high number of people who like guns and shooting. And who vote.