I got pulled over today... your gonna want to read this.

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Who wants to bet the phrases "my dad is friends with the assistance chief", "you can't do this", "I don't have to do that" and the ever popular "my taxes pay your salary" didn't come into play within the first 2 minutes of this little situation?

I'll take the bet. He specifically said he was respectful to the LEO. I see zero reason to doubt a word he says.
 
Someone please set out a bleeper so we can get a mod over here to close this thread

Are you kidding? This is the first time in weeks a thread didn't get locked down just because it MIGHT go off topic. This thread is about gun laws. Seeing as how it's in the law section of a gun forum I see no problems.
 
Ravnaf

"That's the problem. Some LEO's put themselves over our rights or over the law. I say if you can't uphold the law or put a citizens rights above all else you should be in another line of work."

In some cases, yes, it is a problem. In this particular case I would have to disagree. If someone was respectful, showed common sense, kept his hands in plain sight, etc and presented no threat..yes, an officer would be stepping outside of his bounds. In the OP's situation and from what he's written I don't believe that was the case. If it was Ironfist making the complaint it would be a different story. By all means I think the OP should make an information act request for a copy of the the in-car video if there was one and post it here. Maybe we could find our answer once and for all :)
 
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BMW M-5 and you were not speeding? That dog don't hunt.
I have been driving my F-350 crewcab 4x4 without a front plate in Washington for years, Me thinks that you made a error in speed calculation, and the Young man pulled you over to chat with you about it. You are luck you did not get shot! When I get pulled over which is not happend in quite some time. The first thing I say is I have a CPL and I have a loaded hand gun. That way the Nice young police man does not shoot me out of fear. Put the plate on and slow down, Speed Kills and so do scared police man!
 
Here is how I see life. I have spent my working life in the service of the country. Cops serve their community and face great dangers doing so. I have a hell of a lot of respect for LEO as a whole, and treat them that way. I haven't been pulled over since I have had my CHP, but when I do you better believe that, even though Colorado doesn't require me to, I'm going to inform him or her that I'm carrying. My holster sits right next to my wallet; I'm not going to surprise a LEO that way. I don't share the opinions of others here that Cops should not be trusted, they will automatically infringe on my rights, etc. I have no problem telling an officer that I am observing a right legally, and doing whatever I can to keep the situation calm and both of us safe. Oh, and guess what, I have gotten a pass on many infractions simply for the fact that I was courteous and respectful.

I read the OP twice, just to keep the given facts straight. The way I saw it, the LEO saw the handgun as the OP was reaching for his wallet. What the hell, your going to carry a gun right next to your wallet, and when you go for the wallet, you think your not going to raise pulses by putting your hand next to a weapon that until that split second, the LEO didn't know anything about? Get real. I don't see that the LEO did anything wrong. He didn't try to coerce you into giving up your right with an unlawful search. You said No when he asked, that was that. Good job on that part. A cop has no rule that he can't try to trick someone into incriminating themselves, you did not.

I do wish the OP would come back and give a much more detailed account. However, since we can't get the LEO's story, it will forever be a one sided opinion piece. I would give the benefit of the doubt, but have a hard time with the "Whatever" attitude. Hey, I speed; A LOT. If I get pulled over, I knew the risks. It is now time for me to be polite, inform I'm carrying to keep all safe, and take my lumps. Maybe my mind will change a little if I get cuffed and stuffed. But, knowing that I'm going to eventually get released, since I don't do anything that is gonna get me arrested, it is hard to say.

I do wish there were more statements in this thread about the legality of LAWFULL detainment. As far as I know, it is not against my civil rights to be detained while the story is checked out. I saw a number of knee jerk postings about civil rights, but I think they might be over the top.

Sorry this was so long. Birddog, out.
 
Is open carry legal or not in your state? If it's legal, then I'd say you were clearly violated, and would be well-justified in filing a complaint. If not, you weren't. Simple as that.

The gun law is completely irrelevant, I think. The OP was neither stopped for nor charged with a weapons violation. In the event, he was not even cited for not having a front plate--though he could have been.

Let's review the bidding.

The OP was stopped for having a missing license plate. Perfectly proper, I think.

He was released, evidently after a negative call-in for warrants and wants. Again, perfectly proper.

In between those events he was cuffed.

Does anyone here know the standard procedures to be followed by LEOs during a stop, particularly as they relate to detention and to display of weapons? Does anyone know the relevant state laws?

That's what counts. I'll speculate that the officer acted within the proper bounds.
 
Ravonaf - he edited his post to say he was respectful to LEO.

You just lost the bet.

Because before he edited it for corrections he said he was abusive to the officer? I think I'll bet a box of 9mm.
 
In between those events he was cuffed.

You are forgetting the fact that he had the business end of a firearm shoved in his face.


The way I saw it, the LEO saw the handgun as the OP was reaching for his wallet.

According to the OP his hands never left the steering wheel.
 
DHJ: "Anyone ever notice that people who are respectful and courteous towards police officers never seem to have problems?"

And even when they actually have made a mistake or two and have a "problem," the situation remains calm and gets handled quietly and with minimal fuss and muss, and the problems do not multiply or escalate. Lawyers then get involved; not TV lawyers raving about abuses, violations and the Constitution, but instead the lawyers known downtown, and if there are fines to be paid and so forth, it is done quietly and without arrests, indictments, so forth.

This kid got lucky, and now he wants a crying towel over it. That's what rubbed people the wrong way. Oh, that and Daddy who worked on some civic board a decade ago with the assistant chief. As cards to call in with go, that's a deuce.
 
BUT I do usually inform the officer
:rolleyes:

How "usually" would be extremely telling. Just how many times has this happened? I can't say that I've been "usually" pulled over in about 40 years of driving. Methinks this is a trolling post.
 
Anyone ever notice that people who are respectful and courteous towards police officers never seem to have problems?
"NEVER"? No, I haven't noticed that at all, mostly because it's not true.

Do they USUALLY have FEWER problems? Yes.

Do they NEVER have ANY problems? No.

Ask that couple in Salinas, CA who had their car riddled with 15 shots because the officer who stopped them for a burned out license plate light said he "thought he'd been shot". Now keep in mind that neither of them were armed, neither of the officers who did the shooting sustained ANY injury AT ALL, and that neither the driver nor the passenger were charged with ANY crime, and indeed didn't even get a citation for the burned out bulb. Yet, they were almost killed. So far, the police have not alleged that the couple were NOT "respectful and courteous", much less prosecuted them for anything of substance.

I just proved that your statement not only was false, it was WILDLY false. How about you admit that much?
 
Going all the way back to Post #1:
So today I was on the freeway and was pulled over for no front plate.
Then he states:
My father is also friends with the assistant chief of police so I will go and speak with her tomorrow.

Being a W.WA sorta guy ... asking further clarification: if OP was on the freeway (405? Isn't that where all the BMWs are required to drive?), may we assume OP was pulled over by a WSP trooper? I'm not aware of any female WSP deputy chiefs or assistant chiefs currently (female captains & lieutenants); does OP mean an assistant chief in his local PD? If he was pulled over by WSP and wants to use family connections with the local PD, hmmm. That's gonna be a non-starter.

I can tell you that we had a female trooper not long ago who pulled over a young male driver, at night, and ended up being shot.

OP's story just seems so much like ... a story.
 
According to the OP his hands never left the steering wheel.

He's full of malarkey, in his OP, before he edited (but after everyone gave him grief for it), he clearly stated that the officer noticed the firearm when he reached for his wallet.

He is back peddling, plain and simple. He came in here trying to blow smoke up our rear ends, hoping we would return the favor. That's it.
 
Anyone ever notice that people who are respectful and courteous towards police officers never seem to have problems?

I have been harassed, and threatened with "being hauled in" on more than one occasion even when I was being totally polite and courteous. The last time this happeend was by a WA state trooper. He asked if I had anything to say for myself after being pulled over for speeding, when I didn't blubber on and incriminate myself he thretened to take me to jail and impound my car - for not having anything to say for myself...
 
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