I just over paid for primers

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armoredman said:
I bought a 1000 over time at CAL Ranch, (1 box of 100 per day), for an effective price of $60 per thousand. Considering I haven't seen primers on the shelf anywhere for the last 12 months, I am quite happy. Heck, I finally got to USE my press again. I rather badly overestimated how long my 'stash" would last...
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well that’s what you call progression and 1k primers in your reloading room
 
Walkalong said:
Patience and perseverance...........this is not the new normal unless we make it so.
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Then again, “we” don’t live in a vacuum. There’s a big world outside THR and the old-tyme reloading community. In some ways, we here are anachronistic anomalies.
Our new outrageous is the current generation’s normal.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Then again, “we” don’t live in a vacuum. There’s a big world outside THR and the old-tyme reloading community. In some ways, we here are anachronistic anomalies.
Our new outrageous is the current generation’s normal.
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I’m going to commit $500 in lost this year as insurance. Anything over $40 per/k for primers. $40 is my standard, anything over I’ll consider it a lost. I still have a good feelings about the situation but just incase I’m wrong, I want my kids to eat in 2022.
 
From the looks of things $60.00 will be the standard price on primers, I usually purchase all my supplies from PV and even though they don't have any in stock that is the price listed. With all the other prices going up like bullets and powder, I'm sure primers will be higher also.
 
Mark_Mark said:
I’m going to commit $500 in lost this year as insurance. Anything over $40 per/k for primers. $40 is my standard, anything over I’ll consider it a lost. I still have a good feelings about the situation but just incase I’m wrong, I want my kids to eat in 2022.
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I disagree, it will come back down, $60 (Or even $50) per 1K will not be the new normal if people don't pay it. They'll go up just like everything else is right now, for economic reasons, but all the folks saying OMG $60 per 1K will be the new normal are simple giving up too easily.
 
Walkalong said:
I disagree, it will come back down, $60 (Or even $50) per 1K will not be the new normal if people don't pay it. They'll go up just like everything else is right now, for economic reasons, but all the folks saying OMG $60 per 1K will be the new normal are simple giving up too easily.
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I hope you’re right, I’d love to be wrong, but given the fact that $30 in 2017 is already worth less than $30 in 2021, and inflation is increasing prices across the economic spectrum, devaluing the dollar further, if $30 in 2022 dollars becomes the new average selling price, making primers for retail will stop being profitable. Absent the motive of improving their lives and the lives of their employees, what CEO is going to lose money to satisfy a dwindling market?
 
baddarryl said:
I just paid $89.99 1000 for CCI #41 .223. add shipping, tax and hazmat $124. I must have wanted them!
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I bought the same deal. No regrets whatsoever. I wanted primers, and they had them. That’s 1k more rounds I couldn’t load without them and better than buying from the neck beards on gun broker lol.
 
A member here initially posted this and its really interesting/disturbing.

A trillion seconds = over 31,000 years.

A second isn’t much like a dollar isn’t much. A trillion dollars is an unfathomable number and our government is throwing trillions around like it’s nothing. The ridiculous increase in money supply has always been known to cause inflation but now they pretend it won’t happen.
I don’t see how prices of anything could go back to the 2019 level. I would love for Walkalong to be right though.
 
Hartkopf said:
A member here initially posted this and its really interesting/disturbing.

A trillion seconds = over 31,000 years.

A second isn’t much like a dollar isn’t much. A trillion dollars is an unfathomable number and our government is throwing trillions around like it’s nothing. The ridiculous increase in money supply has always been known to cause inflation but now they pretend it won’t happen.
I don’t see how prices of anything could go back to the 2019 level. I would love for Walkalong to be right though.
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Great points and I agree.
In a market economy, prices are unrelated to value. Adam Smith proved it. I’d like to see 10-cent a gallon gas, again; but I don’t think I would like to see $6000/year average upper middle class incomes again. Didn’t one go with the other, though? Or are those prices just relative values based on market forces? There’s a lot to think about when it comes to price vs value.
 
Hartkopf said:
A member here initially posted this and its really interesting/disturbing.

A trillion seconds = over 31,000 years.

A second isn’t much like a dollar isn’t much. A trillion dollars is an unfathomable number and our government is throwing trillions around like it’s nothing. The ridiculous increase in money supply has always been known to cause inflation but now they pretend it won’t happen.
I don’t see how prices of anything could go back to the 2019 level. I would love for Walkalong to be right though.
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I been talking about inflation since 2020. I been offered $$$,$$$ near $,$$$,$$$ for a rental property in Charlotte NC. After thinking about it, I was like NAW because the $ is getting worthless.

the bottom will be when countries stop using the dollar as their reserve currency
 
I am still feeding on primers I bought 20 years ago $50 for 5k. Something just is not adding up here.
 
The world was a little different 20 years ago , you are comparing apples to oranges . What's not adding up is enough primers to go around for all the folks that did not prepare . People blame this on hoarders etc. , I blame it on the ill prepared , if they were prepared maybe this primer famine would have never happened . People talk about banding together and not buying at high prices and primers will come down . The ones banding together are the ones that can't afford primers or won't spend the money because they are not serious realoaders in the first place, while the guys that need/want primers are scrambling to get every dollar they can and buy as many primers at whatever price they are at the moment . I still predict $ 75 per 1K will be the new norm .
 
Wow, Dale, kind of a slam, there. See, I thought I WAS prepared, having lived through the drought of 2008 without a problem, but this one is different and much worse with the triple slam of COVID, riots and bad election. But it 's OK, I am finding some now and am paying $60 per thousand, and not complaining. BTW, running out of COMPONENTS doesn't mean running out of AMMO...I turned all the little pieces into big pieces of bang, and not really worried about running out of rounds in the meantime. You might be right about the price, but it seems to already be dropping below that price point, after scalpers selling for hundreds of dollars per thousand at the height of the panic.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
I hope you’re right, I’d love to be wrong, but given the fact that $30 in 2017 is already worth less than $30 in 2021, and inflation is increasing prices across the economic spectrum, devaluing the dollar further, if $30 in 2022 dollars becomes the new average selling price, making primers for retail will stop being profitable. Absent the motive of improving their lives and the lives of their employees, what CEO is going to lose money to satisfy a dwindling market?
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Here is a real concern...a dwindling market size of reloaders and thus reducing profitability to produce and sell components. I suspect it is happening but haven’t got any empirical data to prove it. I’m not saying shooters, just reloaders.

As I look at the changing recreational interests and demographics from my generation (boomer) to the younger ones it just makes sense reloading will follow the decline/shift.

Looking at SEC filings of Vista and other publicly traded companies might reveal what their component sales were vs. ammo sales vs. fishing & camping sales vs. whatever and whether the trend was up or down. Some grad student could easily do this research using Al Gore’s amazing Internet.

(But this wouldn’t square with @Mark_Mark’s three new primer factories would it?)
 
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