I kind of rescued a grail gun

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Nice score!

I like my 4" 57 much more than I liked my 6"... it's just a nicer revolver with a better balance, the plus being I can actually wear it in a holster without it catching on everything. My 57 has the absolute best trigger in the safe, and locks up solid, even after all these years... I hope yours does, too.... and it sounds like it might.

Speaking of battle scars and the .41... my S&W 58 has such a scar... on one side of the cylinder...

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...it looks like it sat somewhere where something rubbed against it (it doesn't look like rust, per se...) or it was dropped on the concrete or something... but the cylinder is the only place, thank goodness. It diminishes it's shooting ability not one iota, and I've been carrying it more and more, now, because I'm not quite so worried about it as I am my 57... which is the only classic S&W I have left.

Let us know how it shoots! Didn't happen without pictures...! ;)
 
That pitting is pretty rough, but it could be covered up pretty well if you chose to do it. It’s an artwork of removal and moving metal to minimize the blemish. I wouldn’t do it though. I would enjoy it exactly as it is.

And those aftermarket grips are a nice touch for that gun. I like that look.
 
Had a 36 3” like that on a cylinder. My theory is oil laying on its side
Could be. The residuals of the oil inside was yellowy varnish so I could see something like that possibly etching the smooth metal.

My 3” 36 was another rescue. Whoever had it de-blued it down to bare metal with what looked like a combination of Brillo pads and paint thinner. My FFL polished it out a bit and reblued it back to a respectable finish. :)

Good find! I recently came back to THR after finding myself in a similar situation re: a Smith model 16-4. Its a good feeling to have a rare gun that you know you can shoot all you want.

Man, a .32 S&W long or a .32 H&R S&W Model 16 are even rarer and priced far higher than Model 57’s are! One would certainly be an amazing addition to any serious Smith & Wesson shooter’s quiver. :thumbup:

Someday…maybe…;)

Stay safe.
 
Congratulations!

I personally enjoy very much finding a revolver that I REALLY wanted that has some rust, worn finish, and trash grips.

That means I can actually afford to own it! :)

And like the others have said, you can use it however you want without having to worry about making it ugly or ruining its value.

Good find.
 
Great catch! I like ugly guns. They work harder. ;)
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Since the 1980’s, I have wanted a 4” S&W Model 57

It came with the .500” hammer spur and grooved trigger .....

All in all I’m happy to finally be able to add the final .41 revolver to the group, especially since this is one I’ve wanted for roughly the past 35 years. The others I own are long-barreled Rugers (6.5” Blackhawk and a 7.5” Redhawk) that aren’t easy to pack in the wilderness back-up role I intend this gun to fill.

I may get a chance to shoot it this week, if I do I’ll post how it does for me. I did load up a bunch of mid-range loads a couple of weeks back so I have some different rounds to put through it.

In all honesty, if I had to spend $1,300-$1,500 or more for a collectible, pristine specimen (auction price for the gun, cc fees, shipping, tax, FFL receiving fee, DOJ registration fee, etc.), I seriously might hesitate to take it out to shoot anywhere other than at the local indoor range. Since it has no real collector value, and some scars already on it, I won’t have any hesitation to holster up the gun out on hikes in the mountains, in the RZR or while fishing/hunting as predator medicine. :thumbup:

Great find, even with the spot on the frame. The no-dash guns went all the way to 1982, so they are the only P&R series of M57. Do you know the date of yours? The small ampersand on the barrel puts it after 1972-73 or so, which would make the SN a "N" prefix. The relative obscurity of the .41M revolvers make all of them somewhat collectible, especially the no-dash guns because of their age and numbers produced. It was a rather late arrival, a really old one is still 1964. I wouldn't worry about shooting one even in "collectible" condition, they are such great guns.

And don't say it's the "final .41", now you have to look for a M58, and even more rare bird. I found an as new in box M58 back in March, unfired since the factory, but I shoot it at least as much as my other revolvers. What you stated above as the price you'd have to pay, is the range I paid for my M57, which wasn't new in the box, didn't even get the original stocks. I paid less for the M58. These are both "S" prefix guns from 1967 and 1968.
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I’m thinking that if I get another .41 I’ll be going for a Marlin 1894 to go with the magnum rifle/revolver duos I have. :thumbup:

That’ll probably be a mortgage payment though, so it may just remain a “maybe.”

Stay safe.
 
I’m thinking that if I get another .41 I’ll be going for a Marlin 1894 to go with the magnum rifle/revolver duos I have. :thumbup:

That’ll probably be a mortgage payment though, so it may just remain a “maybe.”

Stay safe.

I'll make you cry in your beer a little...

I bought my 4" 57 as NIB... for $400 in a little LGS in Dublin, OH many years ago. Guy said they couldn't get rid of it... make him an offer, so I did! It was not correct... someone had swapped the original grips for speedloader grips, but I didn't care. I think my 57 is a 1980 (N-prefix,) but my 58 is a late '60's gun with an S-prefix.

When Marlin reintroduced the 1894 in .41, as the 1894FG, with pistol grip, vs the straight grip of the previous 1894S, I was ON it! $450 out the door, NIB. Hindsight being what it is, I wish I would have bought 10 of them instead of just one. They are out there in the used market, but... yes... they are quite proud of them. One glimmer of hope would be Ruger's Marlins, that they might, eventually, kick out some 1894's in .41, again... but I suspect that rifle is pretty far down the list.
 
Indeed, those were great buys then… and now! :thumbup:

That 57 buy was as good a “I stumbled into this deal” as the 7.5” Ruger Redhawk I scored for $350 ($410 OTD) at a LEO oriented gun store for the same reason about four years ago. It was tagged at $700 bucks and sat on their pegboard rack for MONTHS with no takers. The seller needed to pay some attorney fees, which is why they were being consigned, so he took my 50% offer with zero hesitation.

As for the the 1894’s… :what:

Stay safe.
 
Since the 1980’s, I have wanted a 4” S&W Model 57 or even a 657. They’re not common, especially here in Ca where finding older Smiths can be like finding a unicorn and a .41 is a two horned one, no matter where I asked no LGS or pawn shop had ever seen one much less had one for sale. They’re also big $$$ on gun broker in good shape, and many times I saw where a seller wasn’t willing to ship to Ca even if I wanted to bid. This has gone on for years, and it seemed like I just never had the bucks, or if I did have the money the luck, to actually land one.

I finally saw a 57 no-dash on GB that had an ugly patch of bare metal and pitting on the left side above the trigger and a set of chewed up Pachmayr grips, but otherwise looked to be in pretty good shape. I put in a really lowball bid and won, had it sent to my receiving FFL and waited as it sat in the regulatory penalty box for ten days.

The damage on the side and under the grip was really obvious and pretty deep, so draw filing or other major metal removal to eliminate any visible pitting would’ve left a large divot in the side of the gun and would’ve been really, really tough to blend at the edge of the frame by the trigger. Not wanting to sink a bunch more $$ into what will become a woods carry shooter, I asked my FFL to smooth it out a bit and blue the bare metal to arrest the rusting and match the finish as well as possible. The rest of the gun’s bluing is really nice, a turn line showed it was shot some but the rest of the frame, barrel, cylinder faces and muzzle show almost no wear. The colors on the hammer and trigger are still bright as well. :)

After the touch-up bluing was done I went through the innards, which had old, yellowy dried out oil and rusty spots all through it. I smoothed the rebound slide and other parts that had old oil on them, replaced the rebound spring and mainspring, lightly greased where it was needed and put it back together.

The bore and chambers were dirty. A good bore and chamber soaking/scrubbing with a bronze brush and Hoppes, followed by a bunch of tight patches, removed some lead that was in the grooves and cleaned the bore/chambers nicely. I put on some aftermarket walnut grips and realized it actually doesn’t look all that bad. The best part is the cylinder gap is small and straight all around the dial and the cylinder locks up tight on all chambers with zero side to side play or endshake.

It came with the .500” hammer spur and grooved trigger which makes for an interesting feel to me as my two other N frames have the narrower sets. I think I’ll probably be used to it after I have shot it a few times. Sights are the Baughmann red-ramp front and white outline rear so the sight picture is familiar.

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All in all I’m happy to finally be able to add the final .41 revolver to the group, especially since this is one I’ve wanted for roughly the past 35 years. The others I own are long-barreled Rugers (6.5” Blackhawk and a 7.5” Redhawk) that aren’t easy to pack in the wilderness back-up role I intend this gun to fill.

I may get a chance to shoot it this week, if I do I’ll post how it does for me. I did load up a bunch of mid-range loads a couple of weeks back so I have some different rounds to put through it.

In all honesty, if I had to spend $1,300-$1,500 or more for a collectible, pristine specimen (auction price for the gun, cc fees, shipping, tax, FFL receiving fee, DOJ registration fee, etc.), I seriously might hesitate to take it out to shoot anywhere other than at the local indoor range. Since it has no real collector value, and some scars already on it, I won’t have any hesitation to holster up the gun out on hikes in the mountains, in the RZR or while fishing/hunting as predator medicine. :thumbup:

Stay safe.

Very nice!
 
And don't say it's the "final .41", now you have to look for a M58, and even more rare bird. I found an as new in box M58 back in March, unfired since the factory, but I shoot it at least as much as my other revolvers. What you stated above as the price you'd have to pay, is the range I paid for my M57, which wasn't new in the box, didn't even get the original stocks. I paid less for the M58. These are both "S" prefix guns from 1967 and 1968.
I've had both...my M57 was also a 6"...and both shot great. I found my M58 in pawn shop.

I let the M57 go to a guy who wanted a companion for his Dirty Harry collection to go with his 6.5" M29. I still have the M58, but haven't had the time to shoot it in years...sorta of sad :(
 
I support this. I've rescued a couple of grail guns myself -- a 29-2 with surface pitting and some internal rust (cleaned that up with Hoppes and CLR) and a pre-27 3.5 incher that had been (badly) refinished but was mechanically fine.
 
Well, I got a few minutes free to run a few rounds through the .41 today. I used two loads, one with a 215 gr SWC over 7.2 gr Unique and another with a 210 gr plated TCFP over 8.2 gr Unique.

Honest Injun, this was the first 5 shots I fired through the gun, two hand DA at 10 yards. (Blaze orange B-27 target.)

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Three in one hole, one flyer up high, the last shot right above the first three. I seriously am impressed with this gun.

I then fired the other load, same DA two hand at 10 yards.Almost the exact same results:

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Two by the X, one high, one by the X, one high. I think the high ones were my fault.

I fired a few more cylinders, moving back to 25 then 35 yards. Shots were ok, not as sweet as these first few were :(.

I moved back to 50 yards and fired the TCFP loads over a foam rest sitting on an overturned barrel. The shots went pretty high, hitting about 7” above and two inches right of my POA (I was aiming at the red X ring.) The group was about 4” across the widest point. C7883AB8-F887-49A3-98FA-622533AC48E7.jpeg

If I had been thinking and brought a small enough screwdriver I would’ve played with the sights a bit to bring the POI down closer the dot.

I will say that the big negative of the day were the grips. The grips are rather thin at the top and the open back strap transferred every bit of recoil energy to the web of my right hand. After about 25 shots it was starting to get annoying . :what: A bit later on I was holding the gun on the foam rest trying to really focus on the sights and each shot became almost painful as the web of my hand started to tingle. I quit so I wouldn’t start flinching. I haven’t used this grip style before, I bought them off eBay from a new seller. I do love the way they look but I’m not happy with how they feel under recoil. I think they might be swapped out for something like ( gasp) a Hogue monogrip soon. I know, I know.. these have zero soul, but they really tame my 629’s recoil compared to these walnut ones :(.

Stay safe.
 
Well, I got a few minutes free to run a few rounds through the .41 today. I used two loads, one with a 215 gr SWC over 7.2 gr Unique and another with a 210 gr plated TCFP over 8.2 gr Unique.

Honest Injun, this was the first 5 shots I fired through the gun, two hand DA at 10 yards. (Blaze orange B-27 target.)

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Three in one hole, one flyer up high, the last shot right above the first three. I seriously am impressed with this gun.

I then fired the other load, same DA two hand at 10 yards.Almost the exact same results:

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Two by the X, one high, one by the X, one high. I think the high ones were my fault.

I fired a few more cylinders, moving back to 25 then 35 yards. Shots were ok, not as sweet as these first few were :(.

I moved back to 50 yards and fired the TCFP loads over a foam rest sitting on an overturned barrel. The shots went pretty high, hitting about 7” above and two inches right of my POA (I was aiming at the red X ring.) The group was about 4” across the widest point.View attachment 1037064

If I had been thinking and brought a small enough screwdriver I would’ve played with the sights a bit to bring the POI down closer the dot.

I will say that the big negative of the day were the grips. The grips are rather thin at the top and the open back strap transferred every bit of recoil energy to the web of my right hand. After about 25 shots it was starting to get annoying . :what: A bit later on I was holding the gun on the foam rest trying to really focus on the sights and each shot became almost painful as the web of my hand started to tingle. I quit so I wouldn’t start flinching. I haven’t used this grip style before, I bought them off eBay from a new seller. I do love the way they look but I’m not happy with how they feel under recoil. I think they might be swapped out for something like ( gasp) a Hogue monogrip soon. I know, I know.. these have zero soul, but they really tame my 629’s recoil compared to these walnut ones :(.

Stay safe.



Well, obviously, the gun is a chooter. Don't be teaching it no bad habits, while you learn how to properly treat such a fine piece.
 
The .41 Mag is a great cartridge, and the M57 is an awesome revolver.
Makes me miss my 4" M57 and before it, a 6" M57 (like the 4" better, so sold the 6")
At a certain point, I couldn't justify keeping both .41M and .45LC--the LC won out.

As I'm sure you are ware, the .41 is a great reloader's cartridge.
This forum has a ".41 Mag owner's club" thread somewhere, with lots of good info on the .41 Mag.
Enjoy.
 
That's a nice looking gun. Congratulations.
But my curiosity is piqued. I'm curious as to how that "crazing" happened. Is it possible that somebody left their sweaty and oily thumbprint on that area and it corroded from the salts in the sweat?
 
That's a nice looking gun. Congratulations.
But my curiosity is piqued. I'm curious as to how that "crazing" happened. Is it possible that somebody left their sweaty and oily thumbprint on that area and it corroded from the salts in the sweat?
I have no idea. It was pretty ugly from the seller, with rust in the pitting as well as spots of rust inside the action. I think it got wet, was wiped down pretty well but when it was laid down on its left side some residual moisture seeped and sat near where the original wooden grips would be. There was also some old, varnishy oil residue inside the action so maybe that had something to do with it.

The rest of the revolver looks great, so there was definitely something about the gun’s storage that caused this issue.

Stay safe.
 
I will say that the big negative of the day were the grips. The grips are rather thin at the top and the open back strap transferred every bit of recoil energy to the web of my right hand.

Furthering the thought about handling the recoil...

Like in my photo above... I love the looks of the slim Magna grips on an N-frame. I actually bought them for the 57, but they are more appropriate on the 58, so that's where they go, now. I did shoot my pistol once... only once... with the Magnas installed, and even with milder target loads recoil was VERY unpleasant.

The Target grips aren't much better... yes, they fill the gap between the grip and the trigger guard better, but as you saw, the exposed backstrap can really pound your hand. I also had a S&W 686, I bought a very nice set of Hogue wood monogrips for it... but they, too, had an exposed backstrap... and the results were the same.

I bought that set of Pachmayr Grippers originally for my 6" 57... with the cushy backstrap filler... and they have always worked well handling recoil without feeling mushy. That set of grips has survived 4 different S&W pistols... my brother's 57, my 6" 57... and now either of my 4"ers when we go shooting.

A lot of people overlook grips for their pistols... I know I have. Good grips cost good money, and it's hard to justify the expense when the pistol already has some. A well-fitting set of grips can almost magically transform a pistol, however. Even something like a Magpul grip on an AR-15 can change the whole handing and shooting characteristic of it, and a pistol would be that, x10. I don't normally like the looks of aftermarket or custom grips... even very nice ones... which is why I usually swap my factory S&W grips back after shooting, but if you want to turn that sweet pistol into an even sweeter shooting pistol... I would encourage you to throw a little money at it for a good set of grips.
 
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